Canada vs. USA…in New Zealand?

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  • #10444

    I don’t have much useful information to report sorry.

    They’re very interested in any information that we can provide relating to the issue. I’ve been feeding bits of information here and there to them, but I don’t know what’s happening with that information.

    #10445
    Paul Roth
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    Sorry to disappoint you guys, but the Commerce Commission would be as interested in your beef as the LA Police was in tracking down the kids who stole Jeff Lebowski’s car…

    The Commerce Commission would only be interested in taking action over some very large scale rip off. And the situation here is very very borderline. In the legal world, it might just fall on the side of “puffery”.

    I had made a complaint to the Commerce Commission years ago that went nowhere. When I was shipping my stuff to NZ from the US, my shipping agent here was an alcoholic gambler who  took the clearance fees from me and a couple of other people and just drank and gambled it all away. Meanwhile, our stuff was just sitting in customs without being cleared, racking up several thousand dollars in storage fees because the guy hadn’t paid the necessary fees (which we had sent him the money to do). This matter made the newspapers in Christchurch several times, and the Police were involved but they too didn’t do anything since it was more of a civil than a criminal matter they said (and the wayward agent was a former policeman, which maybe had something to do with it?). Eventually, my US shipper had to take care of things — about 6 months later. But the Commerce Commission, while keeping a “watching brief” on all of this, did nothing.

    #10446
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    As I said about the commerce commision, thanks Paul
    How about you guys stop whingeing ( because thats how I see it ) dont bother going along to the games but see it as an opportunity for people to see an ice hockey game of pretty good quality regardless of the smoke and mirrors by the promoters. Theres something like 2500 tickets sold to the Dunedin game and shit loads people who have never seen ice hockey are going along and are going to go away thinking that they have watched a great spectacle and maybe will go along to support the thunder in future. This is good for the game for Petes sake. If your values about marketing are so offended how about directing your energies toward something meaningfull like drug companies who make enourmous profits from drugs that either dont work or damage  people , or maybe all the chemicals that get pumped into  animals  that we eat or perhaps the the by product of aluminum smeltering called flouride being mass medicated to us,  not  flipping ice hockey marketing “puffery” . Try getting some perpective people

    #10447
    Kyle
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    "Paul Roth":1zxokwpp wrote:
    Sorry to disappoint you guys, but the Commerce Commission would be as interested in your beef as the LA Police was in tracking down the kids who stole Jeff Lebowski’s car… 
    [/quote:1zxokwpp]

    That’s not what they’ve told us. These three events are well over 3 million dollars in ticket sales, so it’s not a few thousands bucks that they’re taking off people to see USA vs Canada. The Commerce Commission has already spoken with the promoters a couple of times.

    #10448
    vpatrol
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    People are entitled to be pissed off.  People are also entitled to vent that displeasure in whatever manner they see fit.  You can fight the drug companies if you want.  You are free to pick your battles.  A number of people don’t want other to be misled and there is nothing wrong with that.  For me personally, any team Canada or veiled reference to it is as sacrosanct as the All Black image.  If someone tried to do the same thing with rugby, I doubt you would call the massive uproar as whingeing.  It’s a cultural entity that you don’t mess with for profit…especially when you don’t give a damn about the game or any benefits that might or might not come of it.

    #10449
    vpatrol
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    plus the “whingeing” has forced them via the Commerce Commision to change their marketing on a number of occasions so I think the “whingers” response to it has been positive. 

    #10450
    Rhys M
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    well what is happening then, at the moment is seems all thunder and no lightening excuse the pun

    #10451
    "Paul Roth":3dvk6lnv wrote:
    The Commerce Commission would only be interested in taking action over some very large scale rip off. And the situation here is very very borderline. In the legal world, it might just fall on the side of “puffery”.[/quote:3dvk6lnv]

    We’re pretty sure the Commerce Commission have already had some effect. The advertising was changed quite drastically not long after they had been in touch with the promoters after Chris’s initial report.

    "Active":3dvk6lnv wrote:
    How about you guys stop whingeing ( because thats how I see it ) dont bother going along to the games but see it as an opportunity for people to see an ice hockey game of pretty good quality regardless of the smoke and mirrors by the promoters.[/quote:3dvk6lnv]

    No. I’d rather whinge constantly and do anything I can to screw over the promoters. They’re scum and deserve to be treated as such. If we can do something to have them shut down, even if it’s only a remote possibility, or at the very least have them penalized in some way for their behaviour then we should do it.

    #10452
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    Albert Einstien (a rapper I think) had a quote something like “measure yourself not by accolades you receive but by the value you add to other peoples lives”
    I  questioned the value of your actions and how much it adds to other peoples lives and I dont see much benefit.

    #10453
    vpatrol
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    neither do we see the benefit of Douglas/Webber and their contribution.  Is anyone expecting to receive accolades?  Has anyone got their name in the paper yet?  Active, perhaps you should just accept that people don’t like these guys actions and will do what they can to remedy it.  You can attend the game and enjoy yourself if you wish and nobody will question you for it.  Your views will not change the opinion of people here just as I suspect theirs will not change yours.

    #10454
    "Active":1m86lhj5 wrote:
    I  questioned the value of your actions and how much it adds to other peoples lives and I dont see much benefit.[/quote:1m86lhj5]

    Well if the event is cancelled or they get a whopping big fine then there will definitely be a big benefit.

    I’m kinda confused as to why you are so ancy about us trying to get a bunch of criminals in trouble. I’d have thought people would be more upset if we knew and didn’t do anything about it.

    #10455
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    It wasnt the accolades I was making the point about. It was adding value to others I was stressing.

    And just tell me who benefits from cancellation? all the 1000,s of people who have tickets who are looking forward to their first ice hockey game perhaps? or maybe the Dunedin ice Stadium because they didnt really need that exposure anyway? Maybe Ice hockey doesnt really need any exposure at all and  we should  let it be run by people who like to discuss  all the negatives

    I cant believe you  said that.

    Are these guys criminals? do you know something we dont?  What crime did they commit?

    big judgement calls there V Patrol

    #10456
    vpatrol
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    …or let it be run by someone who knows nothing about ice hockey and who states “I don’t care about ice hockey, I’m in it to make money”.  Sounds like a great plan to me.  I have a bit more confidence in the nzihf growing the game then some renegade promoters who have left others in the lurch before.

    I’ve played pick up games that will rival the quality of this watered down game but we didn’t charge $200 a seat.  

    What big judgement calls?  The opponents of the game will stay opponents despite your calls to stop complaining and I don’t expect you to share our views either.  Not really a big call afterall.  There clearly isn’t much of a point in trying to convince the other of anything is there?  If you don’t like what you read, stop reading.  We don’t like the product so we won’t go and will make sure others are aware of what is really on offer before they fork over their money and end up disappointed and feeling hard done by by hockey in NZ.  If they are happy with the product like you appear to be, good stuff.  Not that hard really

    #10457
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    “Criminals” is  a value judgement. Anyway enough said

    #10458
    Kyle
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    Actually, criminals isn’t a value judgement, it’s a definable word – a person who has committed a crime.

    Unlikely that they’ve done that however. Most likely a civil issue – misleading advertising, breaches of the Commerce Act possibly?

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