Easton Cup 2010

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  • #15343
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    Wow!
    Im feeling a little “casual” now

    #15344
    Paul Roth
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    Ok, so I hope you guys have a good Easton Cup competition.

    #15345
    Azzy77
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    I am going to have to side with Paul on this one slightly.

    Easton Cup was only advertised online AKAIF, I didn’t see any posters at the rink.
    I also don’t recall being asked in my prem team if anyone wanted to play Easton Cup, or if our team would like to organise team for Easton Cup.
    Also putting a notice in a newsletter that is emailed out, it will probably get skimmed, or not read at all. Whereas a stand alone advert for Easton Cup would more likely grab the attention of those interested

    Online is a wonderful thing if everyone uses it, but can make advertising lazy. Its all well and good saying we advertised but if you get a lot of people (6+) claiming not to have heard about it maybe you should question your advertising methods?

    Also Easton Cup used to be on at Easter, so most people probably thought since it wasn’t on then, then it was off?

    #15346
    vpatrol
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    6 people not making contact with anyone official makes you question their effort level.

    There are lots of ways of getting on the team if you want to.  I’m not going nor was I asked but I could have found out within an hour who the two Chch teams are and whether they needed players.

    #15347
    Azzy77
    Moderator

    Thats 6 I know of.

    I know in ideal world people should be able to just go when is Easton Cup and check website.
    But hockey players and technology doesn’t mix a lot, there are the odd geek (you and I included) that spends all day trawling website for info.

    But a lot of guys barely know they have an email address let alone check it….I mean I would stop short of ringing everyone in the Club.
    But Paul Roth is hardly a marginal member, he has been on various committees and things over the years, and as evidenced by him posting ice hockey stuff and not his shopping list on the forum has a decent grasp of the interweb. If Paul didn’t know, then how is old who-flung who comes for drop in once a week, and thats it meant to know?

    I mean Interweb is great and all, but to be honest to me there is no vibe surrounding Easton cup that makes me get excited about its appearance. I am sure I am not alone…..
    You need people to be discussing in Changing room etc, to get people excited. At very least put a poster up.

    #15348
    vpatrol
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    How did 2 chch teams find out about it?  They certainly weren’t relying on advertising in Dunedin?  I’m probably one of the few people on the forum regularly from Dunedin and I had nothing to do with getting them info.

    I’m not talking about Paul in particular but if the info is able to be sourced on the forum and he knows about the forum then…..

    For those who aren’t tech savvy, why don’t they ask around then?  Clearly there are Dunedin teams and you would very quickly run into someone who knows.  You would probably also run into people who are interested but don’t have the info either.  In which case, one would hope that they would step up and organize a team themselves.  If not, then you can’t blame DIHA.

    It’s the same argument in the past when things aren’t handed to people on a silver platter.  You quickly find not much investigating was done by the person.  If they truly wanted to play, they would have found the info.  If an existing team didn’t want them, tough.  I can’t force my way onto a team that already has goalies so I can either get in earlier next year or start my own. 

    #15349
    Kyle
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    Thunder managers were asked to remind all of Thunder about Easton Cup while you were filling in some paperwork last week. Some Thunder players have managed to find themselves in a couple of teams. All the premier players are signed up in club hub so should have got the newsletter.

    It was on beginning of May last year, it hasn’t been run at Easter for a couple of years now. It was originally scheduled for last weekend, but we changed the date a couple of months ago (to avoid duck shooting weekend).

    And Paul said he knew of about six players looking for a team to play for. If they’re looking for a team they must by definition have heard about it. Perhaps they heard only recently, but that must be because they didn’t read the email that was sent to them over a week ago. Like I said, if they email Larry Martin, we’ll try and find them a spot.

    Who-flungs who come in for drop-in once a week aren’t eligible to play in the Easton Cup as they’re not a fully paid up member of the club.

    We used to do posters (or at least the sponsor did). However we’d much rather the sponsor provided something we could use for fundraising rather than investing in posters. Hence we emailed all the other clubs, and all our members.

    We actually were going to do a specific email for the Easton Cup, but the club newsletter was due and it’s not actually the club’s intention to spam your mailboxes. Some people will have got three in the past 10 days (1. newsletter, 2. oi, pay your money, and 3. hey, wanna buy a top?). #3 actually was supposed to be part of #1, but we couldn’t get the prices in time and the newsletter needed to go out so that people had warning about Easton Cup before entries were due.

    But yes, the club is now largely run online. It’s actually very difficult to be a club member without checking and reading your emails, as all club communication is now managed through the system. People should start to assume if they get an email from the club, it might be worth reading. I could accept the criticism if we hadn’t emailed everyone about it, but we did and people have (presumably) chosen not to pay attention to that email. At some stage seniors need to take responsibility for themselves.

    It’s the same attitude that the club is going to take with money. People who owe money to the club have been emailed and asked to pay their debts or make an arrangement with us. If they choose not to do either of those things then unfortunately we’re going to turn them away from the ice for club events after tomorrow. The club has spent too many years pleading with people to pay money or sign up for teams, when the club is putting these things on for their benefit. If people want the benefits of the club the least they could do is look through the membership booklet that we put together, pay the money when asked, and read the emails that we send to them. We can’t grow as a club if we have to hold player’s hands, there’s not enough volunteers to do that.

    Having said all that, I welcome anyone else offering to run Easton Cup for next year, we always want more people to front up and take up roles in the club. Larry Martin and I have done it for the past couple of years (with the help of Walter who designs the form), Larry isn’t even in town this weekend, and I’m only here until lunch time on Sunday. Neither of us are getting to play (this year or last), Larry is off getting his NZIHF coaching certification and supporting the Dunedin midgets at tournament, I’m refereeing 9 games to help make sure the tournament happens, and then heading down to Gore to run Southern Peewee trials (ready to go on ice at 5pm Sunday in Gore!).

    #15350
    Paul Roth
    Member

    Hey, I’ve known about the Easton Cup since the notice was put up on the DIHA website. But it all related to teams, and there did not seem to be any way for individuals wanting to play to operate within that particular framework.

    I thought maybe there’d be something here online on team formation, available teams, etc even some gossip as what teams there were going to be, what teams had available slots, who was organizing, etc. But not a word. I didn’t ask because I wasn’t going to play. The Easton Cup has been going for years, but my older kids (21 & 19) never played because they never were asked or in the know about it (it always seemed to be some older guys’ thing), and now I guess the whole event is below their radar. I guess it is the younger players who aren’t very good at organizing themselves and need a framework where they can say “Yeah, I’ll sign up for that”.

    I’ve been at the rink numerous times (as in several times a week) over the past couple of months, but I never heard anyone talk about the Easton teams, who was forming a team, what teams there were going to be, etc. So it just seemed to be a mystery to me. I thought maybe the Juniors were going to put in a team, but I hadn’t heard a word about that. The Juniors seem just to have collapsed this year.

    The under 19s are the age group that I was actually concerned about, because that is a group that tends to expend very little effort in organising things for themselves or putting themselves forward, asking to play with the “grown ups”, etc. Maybe they just need to get over that.

    #15351
    Kyle
    Member

    Robbie did post on slapshot about organising teams: https://slapshot.hellyer.kiwi/general-chatter/easton-cup-2139/

    He didn’t get a great response.

    Juniors is a problem (one of the entered teams is actually organised by a junior). But it’s a much broader problem than this weekend. The club is trying to create things that can sustain Juniors (it’s part of the point of the premier grade), and the junior managers would have entered a team in the Easton Cup (they did last year), but the numbers just aren’t there. Our registered juniors have more than halved since last year. All the clubs in Southern are trying to deal with this problem but it’s hit us particularly hard this season.

    Thunder is creating a development practice space for them, starting tonight at 8pm and the wider problem of Juniors is something that the club continues to work on.

    #15352
    Paul Roth
    Member

    To adapt an old adage, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t get it to play ice hockey.

    #15353
    Kyle
    Member
    "Paul Roth":3r5r9q89 wrote:
    To adapt an old adage, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t get it to play ice hockey.
    [/quote:3r5r9q89]

    But I’d like to film you trying.

    #15354
    "Rhys M":2qast6vx wrote:
    Maybe if easton cup was advertsied more in advance like it has been in previous years you wouldve had attendances like a few years ago,
    [/quote:2qast6vx]

    Has the number of competitors dropped? I was under the impression it was fairly constant. But I don’t recall exact numbers of teams entered.

    #15355

    It seems to me that the Easton Cup has been run in a much more orderly fashion this year. In previous years it has always seemed (from the outside) that someone in Auckland made a nice shiny poster on time which was plastered everywhere and anywhere. But then nothing was done to ensure things were sorted and ordered in the weeks leading up to the event and so at the very last minute the event organisers had to scurry around like mad chooks trying to find players to fill teams, some of which didn’t even have managers/organisers. So the actual event organisers were running teams within the event.

    This year it seems they just slapped up an ad on the web, posted out an email and welcomed people to join, provided rough estimates of dates, times, prices etc. and because that information was provided well in advance, they accordingly had a bunch of people volunteer to run teams and find players. Personally I’m far more likely to organise a team for an event if I know what the deal is long before hand, that was not the case in some of the previous Easton Cup events.

    Presumably those entering teams already had their players lined up, or knew where to find them and hence we aren’t seeing anyone running around madly trying to find replacement players at the last minute.

    Perhaps what looks like disorganisation is actually the exact opposite?

    #15356

    Some random stats on the number of teams from previous years. Based on these, it seems this is the best year since 2007 since there’s a 50/50 ratio of local to ‘out of town’ teams.

    2010
    http://dunedinicehockey.hellyer.kiwi/documents … le2010.pdf
    3 local teams
    3 out of town teams

    2009
    http://dunedinicehockey.hellyer.kiwi/documents … hedule.pdf
    4 local teams
    2 out of town teams

    2008
    http://dunedinicehockey.hellyer.kiwi/documents … draw08.pdf
    4 local teams
    1 out of town team

    2007
    http://dunedinicehockey.hellyer.kiwi/documents … draw07.pdf
    4 local teams
    4 out of town teams

    #15357
    Rhys M
    Member

    Easton cup actaully vince is traditionally played over the easter period, I would consider myself to be reasonably well “with in the loop” and didnt find out much prior to talking to tom whos organising a team, fair enough to use existing teams that the way its been and it wasnt advertised om the DIHA website until around two weeks ago……..

    "vpatrol":3fyr9rc4 wrote:
    So if someone wants to claim they are being marginalized for not being in the right circles but made no attempt to let their availability be known, then their problem. 
    [/quote:3fyr9rc4]

    What happened to the club email list, very little has been advertised this year through it, including the begineers DIHL, again althoguh many people wouldnt of played its always nice to know whats going on. Im sure you would have atttraced far more people, including a q.t and a potential southern u19 team if things had been more widely marketed.

    If you look at teams this year in comparison to other years youll see there are alot smaller numbers……. I know several “central” players who were and are keen to plat that cant now becuase of the lack of the info…… not everyone has all day to check the DIHA website, which dont get me wrong is very good but realistically im not sure how many people actually wanting to know thigs would check it

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