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"thirteen":3hl1izkg wrote:PPPS plod, not sure if you have ever played hockey but when throwing a hip check on the wall it is quite easy for the back leg to swing out as you are trying for balance, maybe paul scott needs to excersize a little more discretion in making calls rather than get on a tangent of calling pedantic penalties that ruin a game. No one doubts his knowledge of the rules but his fair application of them leaves much to be desired. If he polices like he refs god help us all
[/quote:3hl1izkg]so having poor balance and putting your leg in the way of an opponent causing them to fall falls under what category of discretion? Should accidental tripping be waved off?
VPatrol is right – it’s largely irrelevant what the offending player did that caused the trip, and whether or not it was an accident or incidental or not.
The point of the tripping penalty is that the other player has been impeded or knocked down through the actions of the offending player – presumably if they hadn’t been tripped they could have continued to carry the puck and advantage their team.
If that’s through bad checking technique, it’s still a trip.
Yea i understand that if it resulted in a player falling down or being sufficiently impeded, in this case the player merely stumbled then continued to skate, had jp fallen then sure. again it is at the referees discretion but i felt it did not warrant a tripping call
I’ve been getting tripped up with this (pardon the pun) in the lower levels lately. I keep letting penalities slide because the player was only impeded slightly. But I suspect I should be calling them for interference or tripping when the other player is noticeably slowed down. As a player I just plowed ahead and ignored such things and figured the referee would blow their whistle if it was deemed appropriate. As a referee, I think I tend to ignore it out of habit since I ignored it as a player … perhaps not the best practice
” title=”Tongue” />A referee needs to exercise his discretion for each and every call. There is nothing worse when playing a game to have the referee blow his whistles for minor infractions, it slowsthe game down and draws it out. Accidental penalties should only be called if they have a serious consequence. With the notable exception being high sticking as it is a dangerous thing to accidentally let your stick go wandering.
Our referees in New Zealand have a hard job finding that middle ground betweenbeing pedantic, exemplified in the tripping call at hand, and being to lax and so not calling enough penalties, which lets the game get out of hand.Our refs have shortfalls for sure however “discretion” becomes a dangerous thing because it changes in different hands. I don’t want to see a game not knowing how the refs are going to call it. I would like consistency from week to week. Since we play IIHF rules for the most part, I would also like consistency from country to country since member nations make up the reffing teams for championships. If refs will be pendantic and call everything, fine. Just do it consistently. I think its easier for players to adapt to the refs then asking refs to adapt to different paces of games and intensity levels. A penalty is a penalty regardless of what levels of emotions are involved in a game. Hence the reason penalties and their definitions are written down in the rule books. They don’t change because someone thinks refs should “let them play”. Just call a consistent game week in and week out and make sure they are actual penalties that are being called. Do that and I will be moderately happy.
Devils win 7-4 in a feisty affair. Refs didn’t have their greatest game. They admitedly missed a rather obvious elbow into Yvon’s face which won him a trip to the late night surgery. Duncan got a questionable charging call on what was a pretty good clean hockey hit.
Highlights were Jerreau Hohaia getting a hat trick and 2 assists I believe in his first game replacing departed Frederick Sparf on the top line. Damian Watson also didn’t take too kindly to getting chirped all day long by the back up goalie and tried going after him during the handshake. It earned him an intro to Jacques fist and probably a suspension. However it was instigated doesn’t really change the fact that its pretty budget to scrap in a handshake. Tomorrow will be interesting.
Looks like the refs had a bad weekend, lots of big and shit calls for both sides by the refs!
Time to get together and not play until the NZIHL spend some money on international refs, the only way the NZIHL are going to do anything about this is if they don’t have teams to play in their league.
Both teams supports tonight agreed that the refs were shit tonight, it’s funny cause we apparently had the referees coaching clinic in Queenstown this weekend, didn’t show.
Go the Thunder tomorrow!in the refs defence, I don’t think auckland has a contact league and christchurch doesn’t either. Southern refs are primarily from Christchurch and with a number of new linesmen, its a pretty big jump from reffing snc to the speed of nzihl. I think they will get better in time with more experience but they do get thrown in the deepend. In an ideal world, we would have a large pool of refs and the best can be picked from there. We just don’t have enough games/leagues to support that many though.
I do like the idea of overseas refs coming to run clinics/seminars though. I’ve been tinkering with the idea over the last few weeks and have talked to a few remaining contacts from back home about it too.
"kelf6966":1k763w57 wrote:Both teams supports tonight agreed that the refs were shit tonight, it’s funny cause we apparently had the referees coaching clinic in Queenstown this weekend, didn’t show.
[/quote:1k763w57]The trainees were a bit green to help out, maybe in a couple of years we’ll be seeing them running stampede lines.
One of the coaches came into the referees room after the Friday game and complained about an offside not being called and then described a classic “player over the line before the puck but in control of it when it was brought in = not offside” scenario.
Over 30 minor penalties on Saturday night.
I think alot of the penalties are being caused by player frustration, all the players and the people watching want is that the calls that are being made are being made consistantly.
VPatrol – Wasn’t talking about ref clinics but actual overseas refs, I think the league has come a long way in the last 6 years, in regards to the players and the game, all that seems to be holding it back is the quality of the ref’s
Not the ref’s fault as you say there is a big jump for SNC to NZIHL, but that should not be holding the NZIHL back.
Players and fans are getting really over seeing the same mess every game.
I would also like to point out that the ref’s are not the sole reason the Stampede lost this weekend, they helped, but not being able to clear our defensive zone and not being able to put the puck in the net are the main reasons!
We can’t ignore local refs though for a sustainable league. We still need to produce our own. We need better teachers for that. Pay for full time refs is probably not something the players are yet willing to subsidize being a pay to play league. I don’t mind baby steps as long as the steps start soon.
Agree, we need to get our own ref’s trained up by the international ref’s while they are here! Baby steps started 6 years ago when the league started. Everything has grown, except the speed in which the level of refereeing is increasing.
Yes we need our own referees but they need to be of a higher standard than they are now, and the problem is that that next year things will get worse.
It is a shame because I believe it is holding the NZIHL back.
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