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    Kyle
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    an interesting story from today’s Dominion Post. From http://www.stuff.co.nz/4072915a1823.html,  but I’ll paste it in below as it’ll disappear off the web soon.

    I don’t think we have a big problem with this here in Ice Hockey – most parents are very supportive of players and contribute in positive ways. He has some interesting things to say about when kids develop into superstars etc and giving players a fair go. Michael Jordan couldn’t make his high school team? Crazy…

    [quote:e5s99g9g][b:e5s99g9g]Parents need to shut up – sports expert[/b:e5s99g9g]

    Visiting American sports expert Bob Bigelow has a simple message for parents readying themselves to bark instructions from the sidelines this morning: “shut up”.

    Bigelow, a former basketball star brought to Wellington to speak at a coaching conference organised by Sport and Recreation New Zealand, says children playing sport have enough to think about without listening to their parents.

    “They can’t hear you, they don’t want to hear you, they can’t process the advice.”

    Bigelow has a similar piece of advice for coaches. It is encapsulated in the title of his book on children’s sport, Just Let the Kids Play.

    Bigelow, a former Boston Celtic, wrote the book after becoming alarmed by the increasing involvement of adults in children’s sport.

    As a kid growing up in Boston, he spent every available minute playing baseball and touch football, but the vast majority of it – he estimates 98 per cent – did not involve adults. It was all about “pick-up games” – playing in backyards, playgrounds and sandlots. That taught him how to make his own decisions, how to deal with other kids and how to play with kids of different ages.

    Today he estimates his two sons have about one hundreth of the time he had to play pick-up games. That is a loss not just for them, but for sport.

    Bigelow didn’t pick up a basketball till he was 14, but when he did his free-wheeling childhood had equipped him to make the most of his fast-growing limbs.

    By the time he was 17 he had been voted one of the 50 best high school players in the United States.

    He went on to become a first-round draft choice and played in the NBA for the Kansas City Kings and San Diego Clippers as well as the Celtics.

    Today, at age 53, he reckons he’s still better than 85 per cent of high school players in the US, even though most of them have been coached from a young age.

    That, he says, is because many are suffering burnout and because the US system, with its emphasis on winning, is screening out late bloomers.

    Coaches who want to win will automatically figure out who their better players are and give them more game-time, Bigelow says.

    The problem is that when kids are young there is no such thing as as better players. There are only what he calls “least worst”, “less than least worst” and “worst worst”.

    Giving extra opportunity to the “least worst” players only discourages other kids.

    “Athletic ability prior to puberty is a meaningless indicator of athletic ability after puberty,” he says.

    “There are 13-year-old boys in New Zealand right now who look like 16-year-old boys. There are 13-year-old boys in New Zealand right now who look like 10-year-old boys.

    “Who’s going to be the better athlete right now? I’ll put all my money on the 13-year-old with the little tuft of hair on his chin. Who’s going to be the better athlete in two, four, six years? Don’t try it. You’ll have far more misses than you will hits.”

    As proof of his argument, he cites the cases of NBA stars Bill Russell and Michael Jordan. At 15 neither was good enough to make his high school team. If they’d been coming through the system today they’d have both been cut by coaches under pressure to produce winning teams at early ages. But because they grew up at a time when players were given time to develop they were able to become “the two greatest male basketball players in the history of the world”.

    Bigelow has been in New Zealand only a few days but, having watched a game of hockey between two teams of young girls, he suspects coaches here are also too intent on winning.

    What coaches and parents need to remember, he says, is that children’s sport is for children, not them.

    “If you are on the sidelines as a parent, remember, above all, this is a child’s activity. You are a guest at your child’s activity. Behave as if you were a guest.

    “Coaches you are enablers, facilitators, cheerleaders. This is a child’s game. Do not let your ego get involved.

    “The No1 problem with organised youth sports across the world is too damn many adults want to compete through children. Children should be competing with children. I tell adults all the time go find yourself an over-35 league – netball, field hockey, soccer, I don’t care.

    “Better yet, bring the children along and let them yell at you from the sidelines.”[/quote:e5s99g9g]

    #4170

    My two cents worth …

    I haven’t had a problem with adults yelling from the sidelines, mainly coz I didn’t start playing hockey till I was an adult, but it always bugs me when my teammates do the same thing from the bench. There’s no point yelling at your teammate to do something when they’re 20+m away from you, the most they’ll hear is a garbled comment and their name and you’ll distract them. If they’re doing something wrong then yelling at them while they’re doing it rarely helps. Wait till they’re back on the bench and quietly explain their error, they’ll learn more, it won’t bug your teammates and drag your team moral down and best of all your team will play better as a result.

    Ryan,

    #4171

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard yelling negative comments to my team from my team. It’s always against the other team or the refs lol. The regular stuff you hear on a bench. And yes I am aware that yelling at refs does nothing but maybe get a bench minor, but it happens and I don’t think it will ever leave any sport.

    As for parents, it’s not in hockey much here because it’s a developing sport here and parents don’t really know a lot about the game. However, in Canada it’s really bad, I’ve had personal experiences in which it has happened and it also happens in soccer and rugby back home as well.

    #4172
    Chris
    Member

    I’m guilty of being yappy from the bench, but it’s more because I get really wound up and into the game than I actually think I’ll make a difference. It’s a bad habit that I really should break.

    #4173
    Kyle
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    Yeah, generally I’ve found the level of support that I’ve seen from own teams here to be pretty good. Players are good about making noise from the bench and supporting their team. My clearest memory from the Easton Cup was when I dived to block a James VL slap shot (with my stick luckily) and hearing Ryan tell me I’d made a good play, across about 20 metres of ice! There’s a bunch of people we have around who are good about sitting next to someone on the bench and providing tips or talking to them about what they’re doing.

    The track record isn’t necessarily so good with other teams. Three Stampede players left the ice at the end of last night’s game and didn’t participate in the handshake, which grated with me. It wasn’t like they the game was robbed from them by the other team cheating or the referees making a heap of bad calls – they just lost. Some silly stuff in the DIHL B grade annoyed me – teams getting arrogant because they were winning a game over a team that was never as good as theirs. Sometimes you’ll be better, and sometimes you won’t. If you win without being a gloating idiot, then the other team will treat you with respect when you’re feeling down about losing the next game.

    Anyway, every once in a while I read news stories about what some nutty parent has done at a rugby game – attacking a referee or hitting a kid who hasn’t played well or something. Hopefully we never get any of that rubbish down at the rink.

    #4174
    "battered_and_bruised":2x8lehm5 wrote:
    I don’t think I’ve ever heard yelling negative comments to my team from my team.[/quote:2x8lehm5]

    I suspect that’s coz you usually play at a higher level than me. It tends to be more of a problem in the lower grades in my experience.

    Ryan,

    #4175
    Joe
    Member

    Players can help their teammates from the bench by telling them if they have “time” but that’s very different from parents yelling at their kids.  Parent fights are not unheard of in North American hockey.

    Check out this overzealous hockey dad.

    http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20070427/domi_coach_070427/20070427?hub=TorontoHome%5B/url:3ljd3kw3%5D

    #4176
    "Kyle":2hblaztv wrote:
    The track record isn’t necessarily so good with other teams. Three Stampede players left the ice at the end of last night’s game and didn’t participate in the handshake, which grated with me.
    [/quote:2hblaztv]

    There was a bit of confussion on those player involved. They just told us that they thought that because this was a “series”, they would shake hands at the conclusion of the “series”. This was told to those Stampede players by some of the Canterbury players. So it was by no means meant to look like poor sportsmanship, even though it did apear that way.

    #4177
    Kyle
    Member
    "battered_and_bruised":2eubzqk7 wrote:
    "Kyle":2eubzqk7 wrote:
    The track record isn’t necessarily so good with other teams. Three Stampede players left the ice at the end of last night’s game and didn’t participate in the handshake, which grated with me.
    [/quote:2eubzqk7]

    There was a bit of confussion on those player involved. They just told us that they thought that because this was a “series”, they would shake hands at the conclusion of the “series”. This was told to those Stampede players by some of the Canterbury players. So it was by no means meant to look like poor sportsmanship, even though it did apear that way.
    [/quote:2eubzqk7]

    OK, that’s good to hear it was just a misunderstanding. What they were saying when they came off indicated the other way, but that’s not unusual when you’ve just lost a game heavily.

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