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I didn’t read it properly the first time.
"Chris":67hxk0ml wrote:[quote:67hxk0ml]1. Play hockey for a love of the game above all other things.
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5. Support all players to do their best and not criticising them for their mistakes.
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7. Provide a good example for fellow parents and players in their behaviour.[/quote:67hxk0ml][/quote:67hxk0ml]
Chris has a good point, although those maybe good things for people to do, they should be allowed to play hockey for whatever reasons they feel like. And why would you not criticise someone for their mistakes? I do that all the time and it would be pretty annoying if no one is allowed to help other players because of the code of conduct.
Looks like a few of those bits need a serious rewording.
Kyle, you did the same stupid bloody thing with the draft forum rules. Get off your bloody statist, Marxist, totalitarian high horse and realise what codes of conduct are about.
[quote:18fplfhl]1. Play hockey for a love of the game above all other things.[/quote:18fplfhl]
If I want to play hockey because I enjoy on-ice bollocks-scratching, that’s my own business, not yours. Stop trying to tell me how to think and feel.
[quote:18fplfhl]4. Aim for improvement in all aspects of their game at all times.[/quote:18fplfhl]
Why? Whether or not I improve is my own fricking business, not yours.
[quote:18fplfhl]3. Learn the rules and strategies of ice hockey to increase their understanding of the game.[/quote:18fplfhl]
Why? What business is it of yours if I don’t want to learn strategies?
[quote:18fplfhl]8. Respect officials and submit to their rulings without argument.[/quote:18fplfhl]
Much more like it.
[quote:18fplfhl]The Dunedin Ice Hockey Association has a zero tolerance policy towards ‘hazing’ or other team or rookie initiation rituals. Any player, parent, coach or official who engages in any such behaviour faces disciplinary consequences.[/quote:18fplfhl]
Spot on. Clear, concise, and short.
If you want a code of conduct that people will actually follow, then for the love of god keep all the hand-wringing touchy-feely poo the frick out of it.
Lol @Chris
The point of this was to get feedback. No need to get your panties in a bunch
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[/quote:3uiviq41]Pansy-ass wussy boy bullshit combined with statist nannying pseudo-regulation [size=180:3uiviq41][color=red:3uiviq41]REALLY BUNCHES MY FRICKING PANTIES!!11!1!ONE[/color:3uiviq41][/size:3uiviq41]
I should say, I welcome constructive feedback. If you’re going to fill it with swearing Chris, and attack me, I’m not really interested in whatever content you manage to squeeze in around that.
I wrote a draft code because the Board wanted one in place for next season, and I wanted a draft written now so that it could go out for feedback for members prior to the AGM. I didn’t do it for anyone’s entertainment, including my own.
The alternative was to just put it to the board, which would probably have led to a code which the membership was less happy with. But if you don’t want to be consulted, up to you.
"Ryan":3exj9omn wrote:I didn’t read it properly the first time."Chris":3exj9omn wrote:[quote:3exj9omn]1. Play hockey for a love of the game above all other things.
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5. Support all players to do their best and not criticising them for their mistakes.
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7. Provide a good example for fellow parents and players in their behaviour.[/quote:3exj9omn][/quote:3exj9omn]
Chris has a good point, although those maybe good things for people to do, they should be allowed to play hockey for whatever reasons they feel like. And why would you not criticise someone for their mistakes? I do that all the time and it would be pretty annoying if no one is allowed to help other players because of the code of conduct.
[/quote:3exj9omn]If you have suggestions for alternative wording, lets hear them.
1 is fairly standard across most youth codes of conduct that I’ve read, and I read about 10 or 12 from various places around the world. The underlying message would be that people should play the sport because they enjoy it firstly, any other reason comes second. Here the meaning would most likely be interpreted to be putting winning second, but internationally it has a lot more to do with parental and other pressures on youth hockey players in front of professional and other scouts. A lot of 12, 13 year olds in North American come under pressure for get selected to team tracks which lead to midgets, juniors, and therefore drafting by a pro team.
5 should be interpreted as negative criticism.
I’m not sure what is controversial about 7, if someone wants to provide an example where people should model bad behaviour that the club would be in favour of.
Meh, I find stuff like this is irrelevant anyway. People will do what they want and a code of conduct isn’t going to change anything. Probably why I didn’t read it properly the first time.
[quote:2br32og4]I’m not sure what is controversial about 7, if someone wants to provide an example where people should model bad behaviour that the club would be in favour of.[/quote:2br32og4]
What’s controversial about 7 is that you’re writing a code of conduct which tells [b:2br32og4]grown adults[/b:2br32og4] who don’t even play hockey how to conduct themselves.
"Chris":2w8f1pkc wrote:[quote:2w8f1pkc]I’m not sure what is controversial about 7, if someone wants to provide an example where people should model bad behaviour that the club would be in favour of.[/quote:2w8f1pkc]What’s controversial about 7 is that you’re writing a code of conduct which tells [b:2w8f1pkc]grown adults[/b:2w8f1pkc] who don’t even play hockey how to conduct themselves.
[/quote:2w8f1pkc]The code outlines expected standards of behaviour by DIHA members and their parents in the case of youth members. It’s put in front of them at the beginning of the season so it’s entirely clear what behaviour we’d like ice hockey in Dunedin to involve.
If, for example, a parent was to start abusing a referee, they would be asked to stop. If they didn’t, they would be told to leave. Both these things happened this season. In that example the code isn’t introducing anything new, the referee already had that power and used it properly. The code just puts it in front of those people at the beginning of the year and reminds them of it.
The numbered sections of the code aren’t particularly empowered themselves (the section below that on the club policies are empowered, hence the mention of disciplinary action). They’re more a list of expectations. We’d like players, parents (where applicable), coaches, and officials to work towards them (whatever the final version ends up looking like).
What is the reason for making one or doing one kyle?
What was the reason with the old one, dont fix what aint broken
I think their is no need for any mention about alcohol in it at all, if i chose to have a few beverages before the game well thats fine, however it should be the refeeres call to remove me from the ice if im grossly intoxicated
From now on are you going to breathalise everybody before they get onto the ice
"Kyle":3h7ew0f5 wrote:The alternative was to just put it to the board, which would probably have led to a code which the membership was less happy with. But if you don’t want to be consulted, up to you.
[/quote:3h7ew0f5]Kyle, I’ll think you find that if you read the constitution most things like this actually have to be advertised for consulatation before you can go through with them i think youll find.
I also think your being fairly unrealistic in thinking people will follow this, i can think of certain games where these guideline wont be followed at all, because the people dont care
There isn’t an existing code of conduct. Some other associations have them, SIHL has one for its rep teams, NZIHF has one for its rep teams, and also other events that it runs – development camps have them for example. Auckland offered theirs to us as a model, but if Chris thought this draft was hand-wringing, he should try theirs.
The board (committee then) discussed it last year and thought it would be a good idea, right now we’re beginning work on things for next season. We still think it’s a good idea, so we’ve developed a draft so that the members can have a look at it and provide feedback.
As I’ve said, it’s a guide to expected levels of behaviour. Currently behaviour wouldn’t meet some of these standards. In some that’s probably no biggie. In others I’d suggest that the board wouldn’t be happy with that, and the code is part of the process of trying to raise those standards. We have to be clear about those standards if we’re then going to expect people to meet them. It’s a buy-in process from members, hence putting it before the AGM.
I’m going to guess that you haven’t read the constitution Rhys. It’s here:
http://dunedinicehockey.hellyer.kiwi/documents … ution1.pdf
There’s no requirement for this to be advertised for consultation, consulted, or even agreed by members. Despite this fact, we’re doing all three of these things, as we’d like to set a code that members think is a fair standard, and that requires some buy in from them.
As for alcohol, it would always be the referees who would enforce this. If a player was drunk, the referee would be the person to direct them from the ice. The code simply highlights this fact for everyone.
Jeez Kyle.
Isnt it great that one can volunteer their services and get nice feedback when the job gets done properly.
Chris and others seriously! no one is going to let their lives be ruled by a code of conduct written for an ice hockey club. Should some evil fiend take control of our club and use the clubs conduct code to further their own devious plans for say, trading nuclear waste to terrorists, then we can rise up against the establishment (hated) and exterminate them by going along to the AGM and voting them off. Thats the wonder of democracy.
Chris to feel bunched panties all the time must be very uncomfortable. Try jockies for men
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