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there’s a problem though. The top players in the world don’t want to get rid of it. As opposed to a brawl in rugby, a typical fight in hockey is seen as more controlled. IIHF wants to eliminate it but nhl format where you face a team more than once has a different context.
NZIHL players on the whole don’t want fights to incur a game suspension. If the top players in a country don’t want to eliminate fighting, you are fighting an uphill battle. It’s not a question of will. It’s a question of not wanting to. In minor hockey, it should be penalized heavily. However the primary focus I would say is playing with respect, sportsmanship, technique etc. Basically learn the skills that prevent most fights from happening. However there are lots of rat bag kids out there who couldn’t care less about sportsmanship. I’ll include lots of adults too.
Gretzky would have been a great player even if every player wanted to smash him. However without knowing he had room to operate due to his enforcers, he would not have had the opportunity to showcase his skills. Similar to eliminating all the obstruction stuff. Allowed skilled players to play. On a side note, Oilers would have won the Cup without Gretzky. They were that dominant of a team. They won a Cup after he left with Messier at the helm.
"vpatrol":1c2ofdhk wrote:The top players in the world don’t want to get rid of it.[/quote:1c2ofdhk]But they’re not the ones making the rules.
no but the game is for the players. Minor hockey is controlled by the parents/admins etc. Until you get a consensus of the adult players saying we want fighting out of the game, how can you impose that on them? “We know you are adults and everything and you don’t mind fighting in hockey but we have decided that you can’t make that decision for yourselves and to be honest it’s easier for us to tell you what to do instead of educating kids to respect others and play fair”
"vpatrol":a3gcjcfo wrote:Until you get a consensus of the adult players saying we want fighting out of the game, how can you impose that on them?
[/quote:a3gcjcfo]I bet if you polled a cross-section of adult hockey players with the question “Should players receive a ban for starting fights?” the answer would be ‘no’ for well above 50%. Then throw in all the parents, administrators etc. and it would be even higher … based on nothing more than my gut instinct
Yeah last night was a bit embarrassing after a really good season for us, and people have been very happy with the way our team has concentrated on playing actual hockey until this point. I think everyone was a little frustrated out there as we havent won a game this season, but theres really no excuse at all for all the other stuff. There is so much bullshit hype about fights and who hates who before games, such a waste of time and so frustrating given that we have played incredibly well when the focus was the hockey and not who was going to smash who..
The refs are in no way to blame, they did an awesome job out there last night. I dont think “Keith” on here is actually Keith, but if you are serious, you sound like an idiot. To imply that it is their fault for not calling penalties, and therefore also their fault for fights breaking out is a pretty stupid argument. The older guys should skate away for sure, I mean you look stupid punching a kid half your size – but to be honest our guys are old enough to chose to not involve themselves in things like this also and are just as much to blame with the winding up etc etc. Only problem I have is that I have heard quite a few people talking about using winding up the junior guys as a tactic to win games, because to be honest it gets to the team when there is any incident like this, some of them stop thinking about playing hockey, and the focus on the bench becomes revenge.
The first game this DIHL season had some rough stuff, we got smoked something like 7-0. Last game of the season we had heaps of rough stuff, and got beaten 8-3. The games in the middle were great games, everyone played hard and wanted to play good hockey so no one even worried about throwing punches around. The frustrating part is the potential for great hockey from our team, many people have mentioned this. Guess we will see what happens next week in finals, one less fight and one more win would be nice.
"vpatrol":2vzspxm1 wrote:no but the game is for the players. Minor hockey is controlled by the parents/admins etc. Until you get a consensus of the adult players saying we want fighting out of the game, how can you impose that on them? “We know you are adults and everything and you don’t mind fighting in hockey but we have decided that you can’t make that decision for yourselves and to be honest it’s easier for us to tell you what to do instead of educating kids to respect others and play fair”
[/quote:2vzspxm1]This situation isn’t different from rugby at all.
And the reality is, it’s one sport. Youth players emulate senior players – particularly the top level ones. As this topic demonstrates, ‘fighting code’ and this element of hockey culture doesn’t start at senior hockey, youth players pick it up as teenagers, sometimes younger.
Rugby made a decision that the whole sport had to be cleaned up, because telling people to not to do it at one age, but then telling the top level guys it’s OK doesn’t work. Again, no sport works that way.
"rookie#19":2dfhta24 wrote:The first game this DIHL season had some rough stuff, we got smoked something like 7-0. Last game of the season we had heaps of rough stuff, and got beaten 8-3. The games in the middle were great games, everyone played hard and wanted to play good hockey so no one even worried about throwing punches around. The frustrating part is the potential for great hockey from our team, many people have mentioned this. Guess we will see what happens next week in finals, one less fight and one more win would be nice.
[/quote:2dfhta24]Good call Stefan. U19 hockey is our weakest area, not because we don’t have some talented players, but we don’t have anywhere for them to play. It will probably be the thing that occupies the DIHA’s time most next year – we’re hopefully going to be creating a new competition for them to play in.
We’d like that to involve more hockey, less other stuff.
I would probably stop using Rugby as an example.
When they “cleaned up” rugby they destroyed it. When Rugby went professional it died.
The biggest area in Rugby they cleaned up was no rucking. What has happened now a lottery at the breakdown because the referee doesn’t know what to do.
Back when you could ruck, you put you hands on the ball you lose them, You lie on the ball you get some nice marks on your back, so the turnover is faster and you don’t get so much crap.As far as fighting goes in rugby, I don’t really recall too many fights although most of my experiance is in this “new” era of rugby. All I will say is that the commentators and the fans love the biff…..
Fights don’t work as a marketing tool for hockey? I went to a bruins game in Boston there were 9 goals, all nice goals…..the biggest cheer of the night, when two boys dropped gloves and had at it…….
In saying that to encourage kids to play the game fights don’t work as a marketing tool, to encourage people to watch the game? Fights definately work.
P.S I don’t like fighting in a game , I think it detracts…..but you can’t argue with the general populous’ bloodlust
rookie 19, you think you are that tough driving in your security car, your a little pretty boy, you’d be too scared to drop gloves an thats why you say crap on this.
as for no fighting in the finals i think that would be invitable with rhys being a orange curly headed f**k and chris saying alot of crap about rhys getting off lightly, i agree with chris however that radar is pussy but chris i think he’d own you. you need to sqaure up in the finals and settle this once and for all.Chris, next time one of these smartass kids has a crack at you, knock him out for crying out loud! he wont be too quick to brag about that to his mates now will he? and shit, im not guna protest if you knock out a 13 year old who knew full well what he was doing when he tried to fight you.
as a referee i know that im not going to pick everything up, especially cheap shots like butt ending and the like so im more than happy for two players who want to have a proper fight go at it, they can brawl all they like as long as they make a proper job of it. i dont want to have to stop the game for to tossers who think their tough to brush each other up a little bit then go away thinking they are even tougher because they kind of had a fight. if triddy thinks he can be a smart arse and get knocked on his arse for it then good, he wont get a penaltie and the guy who hit him will but i dont think the guy who hit him will really give a toss.
fighting for the sake of fighting, ie; just to be a tough guy is gay and you should get your shit wrecked for doing so. but when you are in a hard fought match and your playing your heart out with your balls on the line, testosterone pumping and emotions flowing free and some pricks doing dirty shit to ruin the game and the ref cant see, then by the gods its absolutely fine to have a go. just dont do it to be a tough guyAHAHAHA! mice work mrdunedin! ahaha! shot stef you got owned! but if chris has done what hes claimed to have done then rhys will get his shit wrecked. i did that stuff for a week and yea well its defnitely not an art like karate, its not even about fighting, its about finishing, and finishing so the other guy is in hospital with about 10 seconds of fighting, if that. i suck at it so dont fight me
Kyle im sick of your
trying to pussy up hockey it ridicoulus. You should be playing darts or something like [u:1x9d77o9]thirteen[/u:1x9d77o9] said if two player drop the gloves and go at it hard and change the game causae your not man enough to play it the way it was inteeded. Its an insult to the history of the game! hockey goon atleast you know your shit around here, im sick of little girls trying to pussy up my sport its ridiculos, i have attacked younger players with my stick in the dihl before and il do it again!!! im sick of these little kids just talking and hiding behind the refs, personally il take you all on.
"thirteen":32iowqlz wrote:AHAHAHA! mice work mrdunedin! ahaha! shot stef you got owned! but if chris has done what hes claimed to have done then rhys will get his shit wrecked. i did that stuff for a week and yea well its defnitely not an art like karate, its not even about fighting, its about finishing, and finishing so the other guy is in hospital with about 10 seconds of fighting, if that. i suck at it so dont fight me
[/quote:32iowqlz]yes thank you mr i cant spell stupid bouncer who has been punched in the head once to many times!
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