Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
Don’t take the piss ryan. I think peewees should start boxing though its very good for fitness even if you dont want to fight
fighting should be taught to young children etc so they arnt as bad at it like the current juniors. Boxing should be an essential offseason regiem for all players.
What do you think thirteen you seem like the type of player who isnt afraid to take matters into his own hands?Why would the league want to get rid of fighting.
How about Max Talbot fighting Carcillo in the playoffs completly changed the momentum of the series, would you realy want to get rid of that?
If you want to see a true Hockey player have a look at Gary Roberts tough as nails and would always stick up for his teammates wether they were 4th liners or allstars!"Regan":2g7u1wh0 wrote:Yeah Mr Dunedin, are you even allowed to play this week?
[/quote:2g7u1wh0]
Don’t act like you know Mrdunedin he wouldn’t waste his time on u."vpatrol":2b958fw3 wrote:"Hockey_Goon":2b958fw3 wrote:Kyle im sick of yourtrying to pussy up hockey it ridicoulus. You should be playing darts or something like [u:2b958fw3]thirteen[/u:2b958fw3] said if two player drop the gloves and go at it hard and change the game causae your not man enough to play it the way it was inteeded. Its an insult to the history of the game! [/quote:2b958fw3]
Not every player needs to or wants to fight. Gretzky fought once in 20 plus years and it looked liked a spastic swinging of arms. Was he not man enough to fight? Was every great player to not fight simply not man enough? garbage. If Kyle doesn’t want to fight in a game, nothing wrong with that. There are maybe 2 or 3 people on this forum who have actually been in a hockey fight. Too many people being tough guys on the ice and on the forum! I don’t want to see fights all game long. I’d rather the 60 minutes not include anything that starts a fight. I’d rather play hockey but if its required, ok. Huge difference!
[/quote:2b958fw3]Yes VPatrol i completely agree with you. I understand if you are not a fighter and that’s OK but im saying that im sick of Kyle trying to get rid of it in NZ Hockey and he must reliazie the importance of it in certain situations. Like you say i to would be happy to 60 minutes of clean hard fought Hockey with no fighting.
Yes I must say it is ridiculous that they other game didn’t end in a SO even though the ice time was available and both teams obliged. The least the ref can do is wait an extra 2 minutes or so for the sake of the tournament for the 20 dollars or so they get payed to reff the game! If i was a member of the stars I would be very angry!
I would like to see Kyle and Michael (no sarcasim) ref a bit more and help out the other reffs. Perhaps an essential refs course should be held again, even for qualified refs?Kyle im sick of your
trying to pussy up hockey it ridicoulus. You should be playing darts or something like [u:1x9d77o9]thirteen[/u:1x9d77o9] said if two player drop the gloves and go at it hard and change the game causae your not man enough to play it the way it was inteeded. Its an insult to the history of the game! [u:2f9i7uup]
Because I spend a lot of time trying to encourage people to play hockey, and ‘isn’t it really violent, don’t they have lots of fighting?’ is the most common response. It’s the perception that causes the most problems with growing our sport.[/u:2f9i7uup]
[b:2f9i7uup]
Be honest with the kids, Hockey is violent your never going to change that. Secondly enforcers understand there roles there job isn’t to bully other players theres an unspoken code in hockey.
If Hockey devolps in NZ fighting will become an absolute nessictiy to stop cheap shots, you can go on about that culture bullshit because when the games going down emotion takes over.[/b:2f9i7uup]
[u:2f9i7uup]As for players, I can think of a bunch of them who don’t like fighting. And I can’t see those chats to parents of young potential players going well when it starts off with “hey, so is your kid any good in a fight?”
[/u:2f9i7uup]
[b:2f9i7uup]I mean serious players. Not socail players because obvisouly fighting is not needed in low levels.[/b:2f9i7uup]
[u:2f9i7uup]
I’m sure Wayne would still have been a great player without an enforcer protecting him, the reason he had one is because of (again) hockey culture. Teams go after the opposition’s best player and try and take them out of the game by breaking the rules, so teams put someone else on the ice to cancel out the illegal play. None of this is necessary, Gretzky would still be a great player without fighting going on around him.If you like the fighting that took place during that era, fine, up to you. But don’t pretend that it was necessary for the Oilers Stanley Cup reign and great hockey players.[/u:2f9i7uup]
[b:2f9i7uup]NONE OF THIS IS NECESSARY I am telling you the Oilers would have never won the Cup all those years with out Dave Semenko (thanks Vpatrol) and Marty Mcsorley. Maybe Gretzky would have been ok for the first half of the season but come playoff time somone would take him out people arnt just going to play fair the desire to win takes over. Look at what happened to Kharlomov during the summit series. Officals can’t save everything.[/b:2f9i7uup]
"Kyle":11i3yco8 wrote:"vpatrol":11i3yco8 wrote:ex. rookie takes run at star player, rookie serves 2 minutes, enforcer finds rookie next shift, rookie is leaking blood from numerous orifices, rookie no longer takes liberty with star player)
[/quote:11i3yco8]You can do better than that Vince. Violence in hockey is a cultural component of the sport. There’s nothing inherent in ice hockey which requires violence. You’re using the same argument that was used in rugby 20 years ago when it started to stamp the violence out of the game. Rugby is now a lot less violent than it was when I was young.
Violence appears in hockey for a number of reasons. In the NHL it’s somewhat condoned as a marketing tool, which works well there (violence in hockey doesn’t work well as a marketing tool here). It’s accepted by a decent number of players, coaches, administrators, and officials as being ‘part of the game’. That’s a cultural element that is carried on by the myth of ‘a fight sorting out something’.
The idea that Chris or Mike or whoever else did whatever last night resolving anything clearly isn’t true. The people they were opposed to will play the same next time they step on the ice at this level as they did last night (whether that’s dirty or not). If Hockey_Goon is correct and Rhys stepped up to protect a member of his team, do we think he won’t do that again? No of course he will, Rhys believes in that part of hockey culture.
In rugby league you see lots of violence at one level (State of Origin), much less at another level (NRL, test matches). Again, it’s cultural, there’s an expectation and hype of violence around State of Origin that isn’t around other parts of rugby league.
Violence will lessen in hockey when all aspects of the sport – players, coaches, officials, and administrators decide to make it so. Once administrators across the whole sport make a decision to get rid of it, and direct officials and coaches to do so without exception, it will fade away until it’s relatively rare. Until then it’s a point of conflict as to whether it should be in the sport.
If you want to argue for fighting because you think people should be able to fight as part of hockey, go ahead. If you enjoy that, up to you. If you think it markets the sport, OK, there’s some places in the world where it does. But an argument about it being an essential part of the game for reasons of sorting out other players is deeply flawed.
[/quote:11i3yco8]Kyle how do you know Fighting wouldn’t work as a marketing tool?
Im sure if fighting was allowed Hockey in New Zealand would get a much greater fanbase. Lets face it every one loves fighting there are those who love to watch it for the thrill of it and others want to see it just so they can protest against it.
And from a players stand point they are all going to want fighting in the game stars players have protection from cheapshots and the enforcers take pride in there job to protect them.
Lets be honest the Oilers never would have won there 4 Stanley Cups if it wasn’t for McSorley protecting gretzky the whole time.I would just like to say that I completely respect Mcalveys actions now. After hearing that another player from the Jets had a go at one of the younger members of the FYC earlier and Mcalvey stepped in latter on in the game to stick up for one of his team mates.
Although this does not excuse him from many of his other classes antics.The fight was a bit of an embarrassment. How about next time you drop the Gloves drop the bucket and swing away.
” title=”Wink” />I was at that game and I must say I was very dissapointed with the behaviour of some of the members of the FYC team it was an embarsement Rhys Mcalvey instigating fights and acting with no class at all. It was also a particular shame to see rhys pulling gestures at other players perhaps if he focused on the game he wouldnt lose every week. very disapointing. Something also has to be done about the officiating in this league those reffs were also to blame for letting the game get to that point.
I would also like to add that I am a big supporter of fighting in Hockey but those players would get killed I am talking about Rhys, Teasdale etc. Fighting under the right circumstances is fine but there was no honour shown from the FYC team very dissapointed.
