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Erm, I guess we’ll agree to disagree here.
If the system isn’t introduced then the positive effects of team development will never happen.
The ChCh SNC works this type of system over multiple seasons and it works fine. Players don’t need to be there for drafting and if you worked it well enough, neither would the teams. If you saw how it worked in person it might make a lot more sense. Their system isn’t flawless, but it works and it works quite well.
At any rate, either system will do fine for the mean time, they just have quite different principles behind them.
I do VERY STRONGLY disagree that the league should be allowed to ignore their own rating cap and allow players to compete anyway. Spring 2006, both myself and Rob Waddell were allowed to play to help boost the Bullfrogs who were quite weak which was for the benefit of the league, I assumed that was how I ended up on the Bears this season. If you’re going to allow 6 rated players to play on any old team then the rating cap should be simply increased instead of just ignoring your own rules or you’ll run into some unhappy comments from players – which there were this season.
Ryan,
PS: please email me if you own a pitch fork and are free this Thursday evening.
"Kyle":16moy3s8 wrote:The balance of the B grade wasn’t affected at all by the number of A grade players playing down,[/quote:16moy3s8]Yep, that’s what I said. It was however affected by the ratings not being done before the season therefore players who should have been A-grade were still rated as B-graders and hence allowed to play anyway.
"Kyle":16moy3s8 wrote:That’s never the case for a DIHL, because we reconstitute teams every time we run the DIHL.[/quote:16moy3s8]That was never the intention of the rule book – at least from my perspective. The intention was to encourage teams not to reconstitute their teams, that was the whole purpose behind the drafting section of the rulebook!?!?! It was to keep the teams together between seasons to encourage teams such as the Beasts to form.
"Kyle":16moy3s8 wrote:It doesn’t matter if your team is re-entering from last year, you can still get any players you want and then enter them as a team. It’s the average grade that covers who can be in your team, not the draft pool.[/quote:16moy3s8]Not if the drafting process is run.
You seem to have have an EXTREMELY different understanding of why we made some of the rules in the rulebook.
I don’t think there’s any major problem with doing things Kyle’s way, but it should be emphasised somewhere in the team entry form or the event notice. I’m assuming Kyle has those in the autumn 2007 seasons forms.
Ryan,
"Ryan":2jxe56kk wrote:Team Balance. Ryan and I will probably disagree on a bit of this, so just ignore everything he tells you on this topic![/quote:2jxe56kk]This is because Kyle doesn’t understand the rule book which he has been ignoring for the past season, ironically he was one of the creators of it!?
Firstly, the term “gradings” will likely be changing to “ratings” shortly to avoid confusion with the term grade to describe each league. I’ll be dealing with this issue at the DIHA meeting tomorrow (if I remember).
The main flaw in the process Kyle followed this past season was that the “ratings” weren’t done till after the B-grade had started. So players who would obviously have been given 6’s, Jason Sedgwick, Rob Owens, Mike Mitchell etc. were not bumped up to the A-grade and this severely impacted on the balance of the league. The league is not “unrated” as such, but it has a “rating” cap so you still need to do the ratings before the league starts. The Beasts effectively had at least three players who belonged in the A-grade, not the B-grade and that swayed things wildly. Kings had a similar but less extreme situation with Harrison King. If they ratings were sorted pre-season, the teams would have been a much better match as someone like Jason Sedgwick could have joined myself on the Bears to match the teams up better.
An important thing to be aware of is the difference between an “actual team” and just a random bunch of players who hand in an entry form and request to be allowed entry to the league. The Phantoms from last seasons DIHL A-grade were technically not the same Phantoms as the season before, otherwise they would have been shat on as far as who they could have had on their team as they had lost most of their players from the season before. The only “actual” teams to compete in two seasons back to back so far are the Beasts and Kings.
However, if for example the Phantoms want to field exactly the same team in the A-grade next season, then you have no choice but to allow them, you can’t just say no because you think they’re too good … the rules don’t allow it. This is to encourage teams to actually develop as a team, like the Beasts are at the moment. Actually, having said this, there is a rule which allows the league organisers to disallow teams at will, which I don’t like. But at any rate you shouldn’t do it unless there’s an extremely serious reason not to. If you don’t want to figure out the technicalities of the club rules then don’t worry too much as we can help explain.
Oh yeah, and I like the idea of allowing stronger players (ie: 6 rated players) to play in the B-grade, but I’d recommend being picky about who they are. You’re better of getting “team players” rather than one man teams or they’ll just hog the puck and take ice time away from the weaker players. People like Jason, Kyle, etc. would be good for that purpose (plus me if I’m allowed
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PS: It doesn’t matter too much if this stuff gets screwed up. No one is going to pull out the pitch forks and hunt you down. Hmm, my dad has a pitch fork I could borrow.
PSS: Does anyone know Kyle’s address?
Ryan, did you get the email from Steve? He wants to meet some time next week. I’ll email him now and ask him if he can meet on Wednesday night somewhere, I’ll CC you the email so you can lemme know if that date/time doesn’t suit.
There seems to be some serious confusion (at least on mine and Steve’s part) as to what the DIHA committee is up to. Steve never requested a special meeting so why Phil was trying to arrange one I have no idea. And I don’t recall any decision being made to only choose a name and no colours.
Hopefully we can get this crap sorted soon as we currently have 1x highly disorganised sub-committee.
Ryan,
PS: there’s not much point posting this stuff in here unless we can get Steve to register.
"Kyle":gwp1h04z wrote:That way of embedding videos starts them auto downloading and playing.Some people might not want that. Is there a way you can change them to click to play?
[/quote:gwp1h04z]I don’t think so.
EDIT: I take that back, that is indeed possible. I’ve also changed the feed over so that it’s now playing the replay instead of the live feed which is over now.
Ryan,
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Ryan,
"Kyle":ipf751q4 wrote:OK, I think I’ve finished adding stuff to my original post, so we’ll call that done.[/quote:ipf751q4]I spose that means I need to go finish mine now!
"Kyle":ipf751q4 wrote:I also struck the post limit of 20,000 characters (what sort of miserly limit is that Ryan?), so I can’t add any more anyway.[/quote:ipf751q4]I had no idea there was a character limit! I’m sure it can be made longer, just gotta figure out how.
Ryan,
"Joe":271i4bq7 wrote:which one of the banned players is this?[/quote:271i4bq7]Gary Collinson I think.
Heaps of people know Dwayne Bell so he’s easily idenitifiable.
And I used to play inline hockey with Renato Carenza.
It’s easy to know if Renato is on the ice, just listen for a high pitch whiny sound coming from a temperamental Italian. It’s hard to miss – and constant.
Ryan,
"Kyle":3u7vp1qy wrote:I didn’t tend to have problems booking ice time myself, I just ran it past Joyce first.
[/quote:3u7vp1qy]Interesting. Well in that case just follow Kyle’s advice. He has way more experience with booking ice time than me.
Ryan,
I had a whole bunch of people asking me repeatedly why the DIHL wasn’t on during the school holidays (including lots of school kids) so I’m not convinced that was ever a good move.
You can’t book times in yourself though without making the powers that be angry at you! So best to get Joyce to do it (she’s the only one who’s sposed to book ice time for the club) and then get one of us to check that it is actually booked into the book properly. The problem with this system is you have to rely on both Joyce and Neil doing the booking and getting it right. I booked in some ice time a month or so ago for power skating and was given the mega cold shoulder by a few people – incidentally the people that were peeved at me were those who didn’t book the freakin ice time in the first place – but that’s a whole ‘nother story!
Ryan,
This is a conversation from the referees forum which seemed more appropriate for in here, hence the reply here … I’m assuming this has all been sorted by Ryan W, Deanna and Phil anyway so it’s probably a moot point. But I’m posting anyway just in case.
"email from Jerome Raateland (NZIHF head referee) to Phil":186ku3mt wrote:There are three players currently serving suspensions, Renato Carenza 45 days due to expire some time in July. Dwayne Bell twelve months due to expire in December this year. Gary Collison banned forever. The latter was the trouble maker last time they played in Dunedin I believe. Register this game or games with the NZIHF through the local association and you should have no problems. Advise Canterbury current playing members only of the CIHA will be able to play. This should cover it.Kind regards
Jerome Raateland[/quote:186ku3mt]
"Kyle":186ku3mt wrote:I wonder if the local association means Dunedin, or if it means SIHL. Because I’d have no idea how you’d register a game with the NZIHF. I wonder if Joyce or Jackie do?[/quote:186ku3mt]"Ryan":186ku3mt wrote:Since it’s not an SIHL game it would (I guess) come under the umbrella of the DIHA.
The DIHA is allowed to organise inter club games AFAIK without approval of the SIHL per se.This is based on tid bits of info. I’ve heard over time from the Sopers, the Christos’s, Joyce and CIHA members.
Doing this through the SIHL, or even worse the NZIHF would be an extra pain in the ass to deal with.
Ryan,[/quote:186ku3mt]
"Kyle":186ku3mt wrote:Well who knows.I had no awareness that the NZIHF took any interest in anything at the local level. If they do, and can help us out, then that’s good.
But we still need to know how to register a game with them.
[/quote:186ku3mt]I don’t see any reason to register the game with the NZIHF anyway. It doesn’t really have anything to do with them except that one of their member associations are organising it. Unless there’s some catch in the deal between the NZIHF and the DIHA it seems like a can of worms best not opened.
Ryan,
"Azzy77":r71wezsg wrote:I had a though last night and this may be impossible….But what if we got permission from DCC to Inline skate up and down George for hour or so in full hockey gear handing out flyers, to get people interested.
Or set up a net somewhere, and shoot on me or other goalies….
Or just actually WALK up and down george handing out flyers..
P.S. Duane Bell shouldn’t play
[/quote:r71wezsg]We’ve discussed doing this at the university for years but no one has ever volunteered to organise it. I can’t remember exactly where it was going to be done though and I can’t think of anywhere suitable off the top of my head. Perhaps OUSA has some tents we could use? Shoot into the tent? Between the ugly red brick building and the lawn? Would be a good way to recruit players during O-week I think. I’m not volunteering to organise this myself though, just floating an idea.
The DIHA used to hand out flyers during the festival parade, with kids inline skating round handing them out with their gear on, I think they still do but I’m not certain. It’s possible they were just those shitty old flyers they had lying round from years gone by though which aren’t much use at all. Some decent informative flyers would help a lot. I’d volunteer to skate around handing out flyers if I wasn’t the only idiot doing it, and if a few of us older players were there we could baby sit the ankle biters and make sure they don’t cause any trouble.
Ryan,
