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Joyce sent me the Round Four stats (not sure if that is Alex round or not). I’ll have them posted tonight. If I don’t post them tonight, I probably forgot, so bug me about it.
"Kyle":ua5zt1r5 wrote:Ryan has linked to the thread that this is in. Ryan didn’t ever finish his manual, my one below got finished …[/quote:ua5zt1r5]I didn’t finish it because you covered everything I didn’t in plenty of detail. I’ll go edit mine to save confusion in the future.
"Azzy77":w2lgt4h2 wrote:See what happened.. the proposal V3 looked fine… why did it change?
I think the main reason the committee are peeved off is that what is happening at the moment looks nothing like the proposed plan put forward.[/quote:w2lgt4h2]I can take some of that blame since I pulled out of running it after saying I would.
I’m totally out of the loop so I really have no idea what is going on, just what happened pre-January 2008 and any info. you guys post in here.
"twolefts":362lrlod wrote:Nope, at least they didn’t tell me until 4 weeks before when they had booked the ice for. Great
way to set up failure, but it only affected the length of time we had to promote the league to players and how much time they had to get the money, hence the due date.[/quote:362lrlod]Were they taking too long to give confirmation of the league costs and when you could book the ice? AFAIK you had confirmation for everything else via our proposal.
I looked up our old proposal; they agreed to the March-May time table for the DIHL B-grade in October (see attachment). But we didn’t give any information about exact times/dates or prices to the proposal (intentional, since we don’t know what the rego costs were at that stage). Perhaps it would be a good idea next year to include pricing information and exact dates next time so that you just need to get the confirmation at one step, not two. I’m surprised you had issues with that though. In my experience, as long as you get the information to them before their committee meeting they’re usually quite good at rubber stamping it for you.
"twolefts":23f3u989 wrote:Wasn’t only that Ryan, other documents, you and I have had this discussion and sorted it out, but other people don’t know why there is only minimal info on the website, so I just mentioned it.[/quote:23f3u989]Are there any documents missing now?
You guys haven’t sent me much stuff, hence there isn’t much on the site about it. Although it is entirely possible an email or so have gotten lost in my inbox. I certainly haven’t intentionally missed anything out.
I have been pretty crap at updating things in 2008. Feel free to bug me if anything is missing or taking to long to be posted. There is an update coming for WordPress (software which powers the site) which will make it a lot safer for me to give more of you access to the admin panel. So once that’s posted I’ll set it up so that more of you can make changes yourselves. That way you can bypass me and post things a lot quicker.
"Ryan":23f3u989 wrote:Fine, but it doesn’t help when you have new orgainisers who have no idea how things were done in the past. [/quote:23f3u989]I don’t think the committee knows much about what goes on with organising the DIHL. So they probably couldn’t help even if asked. Kyle or I would be more appropriate people to ask IMO since we’ve done it before.
"twolefts":23f3u989 wrote:Fair enough, but why do the same people have to do both? if they don’t have time to do what they should, why are they trying?[/quote:23f3u989]I don’t understand what you said there.
"Ryan":23f3u989 wrote:Can I see it please?[/quote:23f3u989]"twolefts":12ltd4k9 wrote:We gave up on giving things to Ryan to put on the website shortly after the beginning of the season due to the fact that it took roughly 2 weeks for him to get round to putting anything up on the website, and then it only got a mention in the competitions page[/quote:12ltd4k9]That was because you took so long to send it to me and then it was riddled with mistakes so I had to wait for corrections. Normally the stuff sent to me is correct, so this hasn’t been a problem in the past.
"twolefts":12ltd4k9 wrote:Yes next year there must be more input from the committee, this year both Larry and I have found very little enthusiasm/support/encouragement/help from them[/quote:12ltd4k9]This is entirely normal. The committee rarely gave any useful input about the DIHL when Kyle and I were organising it.
The committee are useful for providing scorers, referees and equipment. In my experience they are of no use in the actual organising of the league. This doesn’t really matter though. As long as they approve of everything I can’t see it causing any problems.
"twolefts":12ltd4k9 wrote:We both feel that the committee would rather there was no DIHL what so ever this season so that they can just focus on Thunder.[/quote:12ltd4k9]I don’t think they would prefer there to be no DIHL, but they certainly don’t pay it much attention. This is normal, although in the past it was the SIHL instead of the Thunder.
"twolefts":12ltd4k9 wrote:Also, we were only given the ‘green light’ to organise the league 4 weeks before the committee wanted it to start. Sorry, but I had wanted to start getting things organised LAST YEAR! I wanted people to know when it was to start, how much they were going to have to pay and how long they were going to play long before they had to worry about actually having to pay for it.[/quote:12ltd4k9]Weren’t you given the green light in about November last year?
"twolefts":12ltd4k9 wrote:Also, apparently DIHL orgainisers are supposed to have a booklet that tells them what needs to be done and how to do it???[/quote:12ltd4k9]I haven’t heard of any booklet – Kyle, did you make something? There is a bunch of advice Kyle and I gave to Jane somewhere here in the forum which would cover most of the things that would be put in a booklet.
"Kyle":3sa06vx5 wrote:This weeks DIHL seems to have been the worst kind of disaster. Kings didn’t turn up for their game vs Bulls. Jets played Beasts, but Jets only had four regular players, they filled the gaps with Bulls players. Johnnies didn’t turn up to play Bullfrogs. And the Sharks Oldtimers game was called off when the scorebox walked out, so they just played a pickup game. I have no idea what the result for that will be, a draw I guess.
[/quote:3sa06vx5]I think the scorebox walked out due to of the teams not having the correct uniforms. So presumably whichever team that was would default … I guess.
The schedule was changed too. Apparently the players were told, but those of us wanting to spectate weren’t. Luckilly Rob Owens informed me of the schedule change so I knew to turn up 30 mins later.
"Kyle":aaptopk7 wrote:Hmm. I can’t remember us ever saying to the committee that players that played in both grades would pay twice.[/quote:aaptopk7]Yeah we did. The rules say that you can’t play for more than one team and casual players had to pay $15 per game (for the last few seasons anyway). All of the documentation in regards to that was made public, so even if we forgot to send it to the committee, it was available for the masses to read anyway.
EDIT: Actually, I’ve got that a little wrong. The rules say you can’t play in more than one team in the same league. But we also said that players in the range 5-10 could play A-grade and 1-4 could play B-grade, so there could be no crossover (apart from a few exemptions – me in B-grade and a few B-graders up in the A-grade to pack the numbers out). But we also said that the players paid $70 for seven games, so they’d obviously need to pay another $70 for another seven games in the other league. I was quite anal at making sure all of this information was available to the committee as it didn’t seem appropriate to do otherwise since it was the clubs money, not ours that we were dealing with.
"Chris":1svv2k38 wrote:Personally, I lay the blame for this Year’s DIHL problems at one individual’s feet.[/quote:1svv2k38]I don’t know enough about the situation to comment on that.
But I do know that there is no excuse for losing money on the DIHL – unless of course that was the plan (unlikely). If you make a loss, you are doing something horridly wrong. If it is organised appropriately it should be impossible not to cover your costs.
I also bailed out (of organising the B-grade), although for entirely different reasons.
"Kyle":3en4smxc wrote:… But then again, we never presented that level of detail to the club either. We never would have gone ahead with insufficient numbers of people to make it financially viable. The people who had that information, didn’t use it.[/quote:3en4smxc]Yes we did. We always provided evidence that we could cover all of our costs. The information I posted above was from stuff which was posted here on the website and all of that was sent directly via email to the committee. Admittedly we may have gotten approval from the committee before we sent that information, but it was definitely available quite some time (four weeks maybe?) before the season began.
EDIT: We did occasionally fiddle things a bit to help with goalies etc., ie: the occasional goalie playing for free etc. so we probably should have provided more information about that type of thing to the committee. Although I’m pretty sure we would have made at least the treasurer aware of that – and if we didn’t we probably should have.
"rookie19":3en4smxc wrote:Remember the good old days of mixed DIHL teams in one big competition? How fun was that?! [/quote:3en4smxc]Yeah, I had that as a suggestion in a document Kara and I proposed to the club at their ‘planning meeting’ late last year. They agreed to run two regular split A/B-grade leagues in Spring and Autumn and a social league in the winter for those players who wanted something less serious. I guess they decided to can that idea. I’m not sure why. Kara, do you know why that didn’t go ahead? Did you change your mind? Perhaps it was changed because there was a concern no one would volunteer to run the social grade?
Okay. Someone needs a serious kick in the ass.
Why the hell did the club agree to this?
"Kyle":1pt4u2a3 wrote:I was actually quite interested in the idea of running a full season … A full season of domestic hockey would be good here.[/quote:1pt4u2a3]Yeah, I agree with that. I just meant that the way Larry and Kara are doing it isn’t going to work.
Actually, now that I look back at the numbers … Larry and Kara decided to allow teams with only 6 players on them. That would come to $9600 minimum takings. So they’d have a minimum of $9,600 which they’d have received from the players. Assuming a cost of $190 per game (ice time and refs), that comes to $13,680, a loss of ~$4000.
For spring 2006 we specified a minimum of 11 players per team, so a minimum intake of $7700, but it we were guaranteed a profit of ~$1000. I can’t remember the numbers, but presumably the profit was quite a lot more than that.
I still don’t get how it could possibly run at a loss though. They collected the money in before the season. Surely someone wouldn’t be stupid enough to run the league without being able to pay for it first!?
"Kyle":z5o56kse wrote:Ryan might have something different as a reason[/quote:z5o56kse]No, that was the main reason for me too. It also means you get a break from organising. Running the league all season long won’t work properly the way Larry and Kara are doing it.
"Kyle":z5o56kse wrote:… financially this DIHL is looking like it’ll struggle to break even, traditionally the DIHL has made up a couple of thousand dollars a year.[/quote:z5o56kse]How the hell can that happen? It should make a profit. How on earth could it not turn a profit with the amount they are charging? The numbers don’t add up.
Larry Nichvolodov also told me the other day that he was allowing players to play for any team they wanted each week. He said he though this was a strange New Zealand way of doing things??? I don’t think that is a move towards making it more serious at all, it seems very amateurish to me. He said he had been told that this was allowed in previous DIHL seasons which it obviously was not. It all seems very bizarre.
"nzicewebmstr":3w1wj057 wrote:I will try and photograqph the score sheet at the games I am at and post this with the photos
[/quote:3w1wj057]Excellent! Thanks Peter.
