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I’d suggest talking to Darci. I know she was planning to set up Bebo and other things for the club, youtube probably falls under that.
Yes. Along with electricity we have HDTVs. But I don’t think they’re broadcasting much yet in HDTV – the production companies and tv stations have to buy new hundred thousand dollar cameras or something.
I think there’s a rule about goalies not getting a vote. Or if there isn’t, we might put one in
” title=”Smiley” />Or maybe while the meeting is going on, everyone else will get to throw hard things at the goalies so they feel at home. We’ll see.
People who paid DIHL only last year paid $50, not $15. It’s been a couple of years since the club allowed players to only pay associate membership. It’s not at all what associate membership is for, associate membership is for people who never step on the ice, but who need to be members in order to fulfil their roles – Joyce, Jackie, Stephen etc. It was a thing we did for half a season and then the club rightly said that they needed to be full members. Full membership last year was $75 for seniors, $50 for juniors, if you played SIHL.
Note, there was no price difference for SIHL/DIHL if you were a junior, only seniors paid more money in order to sign up for SIHL.
There was no ability to warn people before the meeting that the membership levy would be changing, as the figures were only discussed at the meeting. I had asked if the committee meeting 3 weeks before could make a recommendation to the AGM so people would have notice, but that was turned down, as this is apparently the way it has always been done.
Lots of what you guys are saying are very valid arguments which should have been raised at the AGM, however they weren’t, because the people making them now weren’t at the AGM. Can I again suggest, if you want some control over how the club is run, how much it charges etc, you turn up at the AGM, or if you can’t be there, give your vote to someone who will be there. It’s not an unimportant meeting, as your interest in the decisions made are now evidence of. This wasn’t done in secret, everyone knows that the AGM sets the registration fee, but it was set by those people that turned up. If more people for whom $100 was a problem were there, it might not have got set to $100.
Lastly, we hope to hold the next AGM (we changed our year so the AGM is now to be held at the end of the season, not the beginning of the next one) just before the end of year breakup and prizegiving. That way people will be encouraged to be there because they’d just have to turn up an hour or so early for an event that most people come to anyway. It’s a question of whether we can have the social late enough that means the audited accounts are ready.
Second lastly, it would be my intention for the committee to present a proposed budget to the AGM, which outlines the proposed costs for the upcoming year, and the sources of that money, including registration. As far as I know the club has never done this. As much as it sounds simple to do a budget, it will be tricky because 1. We’ve never done one before, so there will be a fair bit of guesswork involved; 2. The club actually has numerous cost centres, a lot of which are changing quite a lot – previously we invested virtually nothing in coaching and officials, now they are areas that the club is spending money on, and 3. There are a lot of variables that change year to year – local competition length and size, number of people in the various grades, professional coaching, successful grant applications, etc.
OK I’ll check and see where he got that from.
Alternatively, someone who has a spare TV which we could hook up a DVD player to would also be worth hearing about.
I should note, we’re not unusual.
Here is Auckland’s registration. Coincidentally they’re very similar – their youth registration is $10 less, but their practice costs are quite a bit more (I presume their ice is more expensive).
Canterbury Ice Hockey Association web site seems to be horrendously out of date, so I’m not sure how much they charge.
No doubt you’ll both be turning up at next year’s AGM to argue against the higher membership fee then. Unless you’re not a member, in which case you don’t get to speak or vote at the meeting.
In regards to Chris’ wee rant on socialised benefits vs individual value. The club has always had this system. If you attend practices, you get more benefit from your registration (the organisation and training of your amateur coach comes from your registration, not your practice costs), than if you don’t. Those people who are involved in a team which is on the new Saturday night club schedule get more benefit than those that aren’t. If you go to nationals you get more benefit from your SIHL registration. If you are a NZ rep you get more benefit from your NZIHF registration.
The short answer is, some people get more benefit from their registration than others. The club is making the choice not to set different prices for people involved in different activities, and that includes ‘DIHL only’ players. It’s also not doing it for ‘Oldtimers only’ players, ‘Practice only’ players, ‘Adult Beginners only’ players, ‘Thunder only’ players etc.
The only registration differentiation is between senior and junior members, which is done to try and relieve the financial strain on families a little, and help youth who are moving into being financially independent themselves, and yet still play a very expensive sport.
The club is not building a war chest of money out of registration. The money will come back to members through training coaches, officials, membership card, etc etc. The club has a serious lack of amateur coaches, just because a number of people that we trained a couple of years ago all have ended up overseas. The cost to train new coaches might be as much as $200 each, depending on whether or not we can get a course locally or not. We’ll have referee training coming up in March here in Dunedin, which will cost several hundred dollars. ‘DIHL only’ players will benefit from their registration, as they’ll have officials on the ice during their games.
"twolefts":2dot2r13 wrote:I was surprised to see we only had the option of paying full membership this year though, seams a bit rough on the players just starting out playing hockey, they get 3 practices sessions grace (at drop in price of $15) before they have to decide if they are going to continue, and shell out $400 just to practice on Sundays.
[/quote:2dot2r13]Full season of Sunday night practices are $300, not $400. So that remains $10/session. If you learn fast and get too good for adult beginners you’ll be able to transfer into Monday night SNC. If you arrive late into the season it breaks down into a 3/4, 1/2, and 1/4 season fee.
"Azzy77":2xa7t40a wrote:I know for a while the arguement was that it is less complicated when it comes to getting people to play in SiHL or NZiHL tournaments…but honestly when it comes time for those comps you say to people pay to upgrade membership to full status or you don;t play in that comp…
[/quote:2xa7t40a]Said like the person who didn’t have to do it last year. Was another job that the treasurer and secretary had to do, but didn’t want to. Particularly having to go bug people for more money, when they thought they’d paid already. Very few sports clubs have such a multitude of registration fees. We wanted to simplify it and make it a senior/junior/associate membership.
The fact is that people who just play in the DIHL, get many of the benefits of the club. Officiating, scoring, organising events. They don’t get coaching, but coaching is paid through your practice costs, so they don’t pay that. They also benefit from the ongoing existance of the club, which costs money.
Most of the registration fee goes to the DIHA. Some goes to the NZIHF. We are meeting with the new NZIHF president next Monday to discuss the benefits of NZIHF membership and some suggestions we have for the national body.
The SIHL fee is very small, as much is paid through team entries as your registration. I’m not sure if it’d be worth the effort to the club to hold back SIHL registrations for players who don’t play SIHL. A lot of full members do play in the SIHL, so it might only be 2 – 300 dollars saving, and it would require going through and figuring out everyone who’d ever played a SIHL game.
"Ryan":2xa7t40a wrote:The reasoning back at the time (which seemed to have no logic IMO) was that we needed as many formal NZIHF and SIHL members as possible for funding purposes. However AFAIK there are no funding organisations which require information about how many official NZIHF/SIHL members we have anyway, they just care about the total number.
[/quote:2xa7t40a]I’m not sure of any good way for the NZIHF to tell agencies how many people play the sport other than membership. Lots of funding agencies are interested in committed members, which means paid up. They could pull numbers out of the air, but it really would just be guesswork.
I’ll add that the club has substantially increased registration costs this year. The club is working to bring additional benefits to members as a result. Callum Wood is working on getting us membership cards, with associated discounts at the rink and about town. The club is also working on building up a club night on Saturday, which will build on existing house leagues, and add senior games and social elements.
2-1 down at the end of the 2nd too, so won the last period 4-1.
Last game against Mongolia, that should see them into 2nd place in the tournament behind Australia.
They look pretty similar to me. The Viddler one is larger so probably better quality for that reason.
All the same, I’d be tempted to go with youtube. We should have our own youtube channel and you should be able to go to that one place for all videos that get uploaded, rather than having them under 10 different usernames. There’s a promotional aspect to youtube that we should use, which we wouldn’t get with vidller.
The U18s lost to Australia 7-0 in their opening match, and beat Chinese Taipei 4-1 in their second match. The team includes Dunedin players Reagan Wilson and Harrison King, and Gore Thunder players Heath and Dane Dunlop.
You can follow the tournament here: http://www.iihf.com/channels0809/wm18-iiia
They’ve got South Africa and Mongolia to go.
