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"Kyle":2s9gic8m wrote:I don’t know if he involved you at all with his report Kara. I think there’s issues there which you should consider yourself not part of – ie, the committee is not unhappy with you in any way.
[/quote:2s9gic8m]Nope, this is the first I’ve heard of it.
"Kyle":2s9gic8m wrote:Anyway, it’s unclear whether Larry will be involved with the DIHL next year, and speaking personally, it’s unclear, if he expressed a wish to be involved in running it, whether the committee would be happy with that.[/quote:2s9gic8m]
Jackie told me she would run it herself before she let Larry run it again
"Kyle":2s9gic8m wrote:If anyone – Kara, Chris, Ryan, etc, individually or as a group wants to pick that up and run with it, that would be good. I thought that maybe some people from the Beasts – Callum, Jason etc – might be interested as well.[/quote:2s9gic8m]
Perhaps as a group I would be interested, but not with Larry.
"Kyle":zmj0u6lx wrote:Last night’s meeting was a little small, but I think the discussion about the DIHL was at least reasonably constructive and no one got too upset. Hope you didn’t find it too bad Kara. [/quote:zmj0u6lx]We didn’t go over anything new, so no, it was fine. I think Larry found it hard, hearing people (and me) say changing to a mixed league would be easier and more fun.
"Kyle":zmj0u6lx wrote:The DIHL organisers are going to inform all players this week about what they owe. They will have until before their games next week to provide that money. If they don’t provide it, they won’t be allowed on the ice. [/quote:zmj0u6lx]This has always been the intention, we (at least I) have already informed players of how much they owe and when it is due and that they wont be able to play if they haven’t paid it by the time they hit the ice next week. I sent out emails in the second week of the uni holidays to the 11 B-grade players, several of the Kings players emails were bogus and I have aksed Rhys to sort it out with them, he knows the deal, just like he did in the first half, once he knew that players couldn’t play with out paying things got sorted really quickly.
"Kyle":zmj0u6lx wrote:After Wednesday we should then have a clear picture of the financial status of the DIHL. Larry and Kara will meet with Jackie and decide how to make the competition break even – hopefully just a small extra payment for the final if everything goes well.
[/quote:zmj0u6lx]Really can’t think why people were worrying before this point. Seems like a waste of energy to me. Oh well, now we just wait until after Wednesday next week. Mean while Larry and I will be trying to find new people to sign up, there isn’t many, so it will be hard.
"Ryan":rsjuae6f wrote:You didn’t have anything to cave into. You had already told the committee you wanted to run it the original way so Larry could do whatever he wanted, the A-grade had no effect on what you did whatsoever, that was covered in the proposal we put forward last year. [/quote:rsjuae6f]Perhaps I forgot or was never specifically told that I had to keep to what you and I agreed too. I have no recollection of ever being told I had to use that model for the B-grade, nor were we told we had to tell the committee, I insisted Larry take his full season idea to the committee before we went ahead with it, I can’t remember if he did or not.
"Ryan":rsjuae6f wrote:Don’t stress about any of this, crap happens. In future you do need to let everyone know what’s going on though, I assumed the committee members were all aware of what was going on and why the plan had changed so drastically, but from Aaron and Kyle’s comments (who are on the committee) it seems otherwise.
[/quote:rsjuae6f]I thought they were too. In saying that no one ever approached me and asked me why it changed. It’s hard not to stress about something that has your name beside it.
There are so many things to answer from so many different people here I’m not even going to bother – your doing my head in. I will simply say that at the beginning of the year I was stressed out with Summer School exams at the time when Larry and I were told we were organising the league, so I did give Larry too much control. I did push the tri DIHL thing and Ryan’s social Winter league thing, and in my opinion I had compelling reasons for it, but Larry couldn’t see past his full season-one team only thing. He had compelling reasons for his idea too. After three hours in a room with him I caved. It was 10 after all.
The lack of interest comment about the committee probably stems from the fact that when Larry presented (or tried) his plan to the committee, he felt they didn’t want to know (in my opinion Jackie has been very helpful, if only to me). I have never gone to these meetings A) because they used to clash with my figure skating session and
because I don’t understand half (all) of the stuff in the minutes. I will be going tonight though.At the beginners session last night I got three deffinates, and one ‘I can do it some weeks’.
I wish we had known about the registration thing for casual players – Larry didn’t know much about the casual player fee and I only knew about it from reading the previous seasons registration forms. If it is mentioned in any information I have, then I appologise, if I read it, then I probably forgot about it due to it not being about the anthropology of food.
Until the last couple of days I had no idea anyone felt this way about the way the league was being run. Players are happy about playing hockey instead of just practicing through the winter, most players seem to like the idea of playing in the same team all season. Jackie has her usual complaints about the way Larry worked out payments etc but felt that if we could get more players we should be fine. Until I accidently clicked into hockey administration the other day I thought things were finally going fine.
Stupid me.
"Ryan":31cgapq4 wrote:That was because you took so long to send it to me and then it was riddled with mistakes so I had to wait for corrections. Normally the stuff sent to me is correct, so this hasn’t been a problem in the past. [/quote:31cgapq4]Wasn’t only that Ryan, other documents, you and I have had this discussion and sorted it out, but other people don’t know why there is only minimal info on the website, so I just mentioned it.
"Ryan":31cgapq4 wrote:"twolefts":31cgapq4 wrote:Yes next year there must be more input from the committee, this year both Larry and I have found very little enthusiasm/support/encouragement/help from them[/quote:31cgapq4]This is entirely normal. The committee rarely gave any useful input about the DIHL when Kyle and I were organising it. [/quote:31cgapq4]
Fine, but it doesn’t help when you have new orgainisers who have no idea how things were done in the past."Ryan":31cgapq4 wrote:The committee are useful for providing scorers, referees and equipment. In my experience they are of no use in the actual organising of the league. This doesn’t really matter though. As long as they approve of everything I can’t see it causing any problems. [/quote:31cgapq4]
At the time when we wanted to get the ok’s for what we wanted to do and how we wanted to do it no one on the committee wanted to know. Then they complain about the way we orgainsed it?"Ryan":31cgapq4 wrote:"twolefts":31cgapq4 wrote:We both feel that the committee would rather there was no DIHL what so ever this season so that they can just focus on Thunder.[/quote:31cgapq4]I don’t think they would prefer there to be no DIHL, but they certainly don’t pay it much attention. This is normal, although in the past it was the SIHL instead of the Thunder. [/quote:31cgapq4]
Fair enough, but why do the same people have to do both? if they don’t have time to do what they should, why are they trying?"Ryan":31cgapq4 wrote:"twolefts":31cgapq4 wrote:Also, we were only given the ‘green light’ to organise the league 4 weeks before the committee wanted it to start. Sorry, but I had wanted to start getting things organised LAST YEAR! I wanted people to know when it was to start, how much they were going to have to pay and how long they were going to play long before they had to worry about actually having to pay for it.[/quote:31cgapq4]Weren’t you given the green light in about November last year? [/quote:31cgapq4]
Nope, at least they didn’t tell me until 4 weeks before when they had booked the ice for. Great way to set up failure, but it only affected the length of time we had to promote the league to players and how much time they had to get the money, hence the due date."Ryan":31cgapq4 wrote:"twolefts":31cgapq4 wrote:Also, apparently DIHL orgainisers are supposed to have a booklet that tells them what needs to be done and how to do it???[/quote:31cgapq4]I haven’t heard of any booklet – Kyle, did you make something? There is a bunch of advice Kyle and I gave to Jane somewhere here in the forum which would cover most of the things that would be put in a booklet. [/quote:31cgapq4]
Can I see it please?
I gave up checking this thread due to there being no action in months, seams I left it too long.
If what Kyle says about Larry booking the ice is true, then no wonder Jackie is really wanting to throttle him! I had no idea he hadn’t done it through Jackie. We agreed at the beginning that he would look after the ice time as we didn’t want to get all confused and messed up. And with what little ice time that was available we didn’t really have much choice as to what times and days etc.
Yes next year there must be more input from the committee, this year both Larry and I have found very little enthusiasm/support/encouragement/help from them (although I think I get on better with Jackie than Larry does) Larry has frequently complained about the committee, but as to the nature of his complaints I cannot say, regardless of weather or not he/ they will ever see them. We both feel that the committee would rather there was no DIHL what so ever this season so that they can just focus on Thunder. Also, we were only given the ‘green light’ to organise the league 4 weeks before the committee wanted it to start. Sorry, but I had wanted to start getting things organised LAST YEAR! I wanted people to know when it was to start, how much they were going to have to pay and how long they were going to play long before they had to worry about actually having to pay for it.
Also, apparently DIHL orgainisers are supposed to have a booklet that tells them what needs to be done and how to do it??? I found out about this 1/4 of the way through the season, and have still yet to see it. Jackie knows about this.Also, goalies are not playing for free. They have to pay $70 (a sum Larry came up with). In my opinion they should have to pay $140 for the season. They get ice time just like the other players on their team. We now have enough goalies to have one on every team so why should they get to play for free?
Yes the Bullfrogs are a small team, we were initially one of the largest teams in the B-grade before we lost some of our players due to injury/other sports and other countries. Yes we borrow from the Beasts from time to time, (ok, every week) I asked Jackie if they had to pay again and she said no, none of the other players are paying again (which confused me as I thought they were they only ones…)
6 player minimum? I only wrote down what Ryan suggested… and none of the rosters should be that small, and as far as I know, none of them are. All the B-grade teams have at least 9 players on their roster – and the Bullfrogs pick up a few casual players at $15 a pop. For a few weeks we had 4 or 5 casual players playing for us. Some are continuing to play as a casual player as they cannot commit to the half-season due to work commitments (these are usually players who have started playing hockey half way through the year – although Larry is still complaining that they should commit to the full 1/2 season like the rest of us) -oh and its cheeper for them to keep playing as a casual player as if they paid in full, they have to join the club at $50 for half of the year. Not economical.
I don’t know what happened with the A-grade this week, but the B-grade was messy not because of the change in times. Kings didn’t turn up because as far as they knew they were only playing for half of the season (something which they never told us, and we never would have agreed too, they know this now and they are playing and paying for the full season) As to their lack of payments, it is my understanding that now most of them have paid, although it is probably going to be a problem getting more money out of some of them, and one of them has been expelled, and he only played the pre-season games, hopefully we can still contact him.
Johnnies didn’t turn up because their team manager was on holiday and they can’t organise themselves. I don’t think their team manager is too impressed with them.
I emailed all the B-grade team managers and told them about the change in schedule, and have emailed them about the change in the next two weeks schedule. I am not organising the A-grade so I didn’t email them. I told Larry to do it. Perhaps he forgot.When discussing options for the DIHL I put forward the idea of the three DIHLs, I liked the idea of the Spring/Autumn DIHL + Winter mixed DIHL. I also pointed out that this would = a full season, and cover the whole SIHL issue, and be fun, but Larry wouldn’t meet me half way so I meet him half way (all the way, but after 3 hours stuck in a room with him you kinda give up and give in just to go home) and have had to frequently remind him that he is only organising the A-grade. Yes he has a tendency to run away with his ideas, and I have come to realise that the only way you can convince him that they are not always the best idea is to tell him that his ideas are the ideal (and they usually are) but our reality cannot cater for them. I wish I knew this at the beginning of the year
-->We did have a few people complain about the change in times on Wednesday, and Larry did take it up with the committee, but apparently there wasn’t enough response for the committee to do anything about it.
We gave up on giving things to Ryan to put on the website shortly after the beginning of the season due to the fact that it took roughly 2 weeks for him to get round to putting anything up on the website, and then it only got a mention in the competitions page (with the exception of the B-grade event notice) we found that people were missing these notices and decided to email all the people we had contacts for and talk to them at practices. If people don’t come out to practices or socials and check out the website or give us contact details when they sign up, do they really want to play hockey?
I am going to beginners practice tonight as a goalie and will be promoting the B-grade. So far it seems the only beginners we are picking up are those who ask around about more hockey. Up until now neither Larry nor I have attended beginners due to us not being beginners, so have not been able to ‘get fresh players’. Last week the turn out for the practice was quite large, and some of them wouldn’t be out of place on the Bullfrogs or Bulls. I hesitate to suggest Kings as although they are not a ‘school’ team and REALLY need more players, I don’t think a adult beginner hockey player really wants to find themselves on a team full of testosterone turbo charged teenage boys…
Anyway, we have now got some idea of how the rest of the world plays hockey and we now know how we feel about it. I like it better than the Spring/Autumn split seasons, but I think I like the idea of the Spring/Autumn + Winter social DIHL even more. If anyone could convince Larry not to organise next year I would put my hand up again with this in mind. Also only if we had more support from the committee…
Please be aware of some scheduling changes for the next two weeks – Johnnies have requested to play their games at a later date due to most of their team being boarders and unable to stay in town during the holidays. There will be no B-grade game on Wednesday 9 and no B-grade game on Tuesday 15. The A-grade games will start earlier. Once Larry gets his revised schedule drawn up it will be emailed to all team managers and Ryan so he can put it on the website.
Also there were not enough complaints about the change in time on Wednesday although Larry did take it up with Steve and Neil. Most of the complaints came from Beasts as they are the team most affected.
I appreciate that the Schools competition has turned out bigger than most people expected – Neil thought it would be fine to compress the schools competition, probably drawing on past experience. What Larry and I can’t figure is why some of these schools/players are not also playing in the B-grade like they did last year.
Larry convinced me a full season competition was a good idea, his reasoning was that the current two half seasons resulted in less competitive players who couldn’t match with other clubs in NZ, and that the DIHL was the only league he had come across in the world that worked in this manner. My reasoning was that last year everyone who went to training in the winter and was unable to play SIHL due to there being no teams for them was left stranded with just training and it was really BORING and we started wondering why we were even bothering playing hockey when we only got to play seven games of hockey spaced at either end of the year.
Although our numbers have been less than what we hoped for the only complaints we are getting are about the lateness of games for people who have uni/work/school the next day. No complaints have been about playing too much hockey (excluding the one high school kid complaining about playing two games of hockey in one day).
With the DIHA’s emphasis on Thunder this year there is very little enthusiasm for a full season DIHL and ice time is hard to find when four different events take place on the same ice at the same time slots during the week. We have to remember that we share the ice time with the figure skaters, Thunder practices, other DIHL grades and practices. The current DIHL times were the only times available, unless you want to play even later…
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There is a possible slot on Sundays, now that the intermediate b practice has been ended, but our research at the beginning of the year suggested that this was the second most unpopular day of the week for DIHL games (Saturday being the most unpopular).As is mentioned we are working with what we have got, and, what really counts is people having fun playing hockey.
Oh, and if I am remembering correctly, last years games were later than this years games…
Just a note, the Wednesday games are likely to start at 8.30 instead of 8 like before due to the high schools wanting more time. Larry is disputing this as we booked our time before the high school hockey and Neil promised us that time for the duration of our season.
Will be emailing everyone about this later in the week and will keep everyone posted on the outcome.
Kara
Since the DIHL is about to start back up again next week I thought it was time to shift this post back to the top and remind the handful of players who chose to pay the half season option that their second payment of $110 is now due. I will be bugging Larry for a list of players who this applies to and sending them an email sometime this week.
If there are any newbies out there who would like to play DIHL we still have room on a few teams so contact us and we can help get you sorted out. (dihl@dunedinicehockey.hellyer.kiwi)
Kara
Did they play it all? I really wish i was there to watch it but had to study for my exam tomorrow. So want to see ALL of it!
"Azzy77":1jnfgcse wrote:This is freaking Awesome!!![/quote:1jnfgcse]
…understatement …
Now who has Sky sport 3?
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