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combined total of 22 players was stated in some media involving promoters not long ago. Far too few to have a competitive game at those ticket prices. Those who know nothing about hockey may feel satisfied with the smoke and mirror show but those who have an inkling about the game won’t be terribly happy me thinks
Sending a promising official has too many difficulties. For starters, they must be a good teacher who has the ability to pass on knowledge. Secondly, they must travel to our major centers constantly to be able to handle ref development. Thirdly, they must continue to ref and can’t ever quit reffing otherwise the resource is gone. Plus its hugely expensive and we don’t have enough prospects currently to do it.
If we can send a couple refs from each region, Great. Will that happen? No
Nobody has said the refs aren’t doing a reasonable job (well maybe not Kelf). However reasonable it is, they must improve and the current structure won’t allow it.
The Vancouver Canucks are an awesome team. They must improve. Simple as that. Are they offended by people saying they must improve? Doubtful because they are saying it themselves.
Anytime anyone mentions anything about reffing, the knives come out and all hell breaks loose! It’s stupid. Players through their fees are willing to subsidise education for refs but so far all I see is arrogance saying they don’t need it.
List all the protocols you have in place if you want and defend yourselves all you want. Until you can claim to be the best in the world, you should be willing to improve. If you are not, I politely ask you to leave ice hockey and never return. We don’t need stagnant people who can’t see beyond their own noses.
so if we have a pro ref turn up, we won’t worry about inviting you Kyle since you would decline the invite since you would rather discuss amongst yourselves how to improve. Man I wish university was like that when I went. I could have just discussed with my classmates what went wrong on a test and we just agree to try better next time and give each other grades. Would have been no need to pay that high priced expert who dared lecture from the front with his fancy degrees.
"Kyle":1em22m3w wrote:"vpatrol":1em22m3w wrote:Were you there for the fight? I have no problem with what Jacques did. He would have happily shook hands and left the ice if the other party had the same intentions. The Olympic hockey final would have had a fight in the handshake if a goalie was under threat after the game was over. Was it ridiculous, yes but once it was instigated, what happened after was guaranteed.
[/quote:1em22m3w]You made the point that the stupid players had been weeded out of the game, just pointing out that there’s still a bunch of them there – since you clearly think that one of the players did something stupid.
[/quote:1em22m3w]I said being weeded out. I didn’t say they were all gone.
we aren’t talking about crowd perception here. People who don’t have a clue about the game can bitch and moan if it feels it supports their team. I don’t care about them. Those who know the game (and there are a lot who play nzihl) appreciate a well called game. We expect the refs to do the job at the best of their ability and to strive to be better. Players bitching and moaning happens in the NHL even. You can’t use that as an excuse.
Were you there for the fight? I have no problem with what Jacques did. He would have happily shook hands and left the ice if the other party had the same intentions. The Olympic hockey final would have had a fight in the handshake if a goalie was under threat after the game was over. Was it ridiculous, yes but once it was instigated, what happened after was guaranteed.
Would you complain if we had a pro coach come here and run courses? What about a pro player come and teach technical skills to the IB’s? Why is that ok but a huge uproar when its suggested the refs would benefit from the same treatment. There is honestly some serious pride and stubborness issues going on here to reject any notion of needing to improve along with the rest of us.
teams aren’t selecting those players in abundance anymore Kyle (less and less as the basement player is better every year) and frankly it doesn’t matter if the players don’t know the rules. Deserved penalties aren’t the issue. It a player is stupid enough to get penalties for something he thinks is legal, shame on him.
well if only the opinion of your peers matters, let’s find you a peer who knows more then us dumbshit armchair players.
The coaches also had conversations that were less then glowing about the state of officiating.
Not sure why such resistence to an idea of getting better. If someone offered me access to an nhl goalie coach because they thought I was in need of improvement, I wouldn’t say, “screw that, I’m a perfectly average goalie for the nzihl and don’t need to rock the boat. I make some good saves and some bad ones from time to time”. I think my response would be be a more profane version of “yippee yippee”
I wouldn’t make an excuse that the players need to get better first before I let someone try and make me better.
with all the limitations surrounding the league, its’ players, coaches, refs etc, I think it is a requirement to support the refs by bringing in someone who has performed the job at a much higher level then the current crop of peer assessors. All areas of the nzihl need to be addressed and can be improved on.
we can list all the shortcomings of players and coaches and marketing but it doesn’t detract from refs also being an area of concern.
Plod, do you think the refs are perfect and have no need for improvement and wouldn’t benefit from an overseas ref (who has shown demonstratable talent and experience) coming to NZ?
I’m not saying the refs are crap. The league collapses without refs. I don’t call you guys crap on the ice and I am not ripping you off the ice either. I’m saying that the pace of improvement doesn’t seem to be matching the improvement of the play. I saw the league firsthand in 2005 and the level of play is lightyears ahead. I’m not sure the refs have kept up at the same level. I guess I’m saying the haven’t. Bearing in mind that all refs have day jobs here unlike pro refs overseas, something different needs to be injected into the education program.
The players rely on overseas help for the simple reason that overseas talent is better. I can’t see anything but upside for everyone by applying the same theory to refs, money issue aside of course.
The reffing needs to improve. There is no getting away from that. There are players who will eventually be weeded out from the league for doing the dumb stuff you mention. The two are unrelated though. I’m not saying throw the baby out with the bath water but things need to change. Kiwi players rely on imports to up their game and push the level up a notch that otherwise would be difficult to attain. The same can be said for refs. Peter came back from Finland a better referee. Utilizing the skills of overseas refs can only help our own. There needs to be some improvement in all facets of the game and that includes the refs.
players are growing faster then the refs are, agreed. I just don’t think we can go and buy new refs unless you know someone who can become our wealthy benefactor. As long as positive steps can be taken soon, I would be happy with that.
We can’t ignore local refs though for a sustainable league. We still need to produce our own. We need better teachers for that. Pay for full time refs is probably not something the players are yet willing to subsidize being a pay to play league. I don’t mind baby steps as long as the steps start soon.
