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  • in reply to: New Forum Software #3401

    Something I forgot to mention which some may find useful … you can now access an RSS feed of the forum <img decoding=” title=”Smiley” />

    In Firefox, just click the little orange icon thingy on the right hand side of the address bar. I’m not sure about other browsers, but I’m assuming there will be a small orange RSS icon/button somewhere.

    With RSS feeds you can have the latest news sent directly to your web browser, usually into a sub-folder inside your bookmarks folder.

    DIHA Web Admin
    -slightly less frazzled now that this darn thing is working-

    in reply to: New Forum Software #3400
    "dunedinicehockey":l7xpnvxt wrote:
    Changing for forum over seems to have broken the photos/videos gallery <img decoding=” title=”Sad” />[/quote:l7xpnvxt]

    Fixed

    in reply to: New Forum Software #3399

    Changing for forum over seems to have broken the photos/videos gallery <img decoding=” title=”Sad” /> They both used the same login information hence the problem <img decoding=” title=”Sad” />

    I’ll see if I can fix it.

    Ryan,

    in reply to: New Forum Software #3396

    You don’t need to follow Kyle’s advice as I’ve fixed it for everyone. Apart from Kyle who I suspect has just messed his time up.

    in reply to: For all you aspiring refs out there!!! #3043

    I just deleted a couple of posts in here 👿 . This is the first time I’ve had to delete a post on this forum [b:2itx1k13]ever[/b:2itx1k13] (apart from spammers) and I’m not impressed. Please don’t go insulting people just because you feel like it, if you want to insult people at least have the decency to say who you are.

    Unhappy Forum Admin 👿

    in reply to: ice blacks training #2074

    Well the ice blacks web site says ‘hey, we’re in dunedin, come down and watch’. but doesn’t give any times at all.

    I emailed them from the ice blacks web site, but clearly not the best at responding to that thing. Ah well, we might go tomorrow evening and see what we can see. Alex is very excited, he talks about the ice blacks every week.

    in reply to: ice blacks training #2072

    No one seems to know when the Ice Blacks game is, not even the ice rink, and I haven’t managed to phone when the coach/manager is actually available.

    However they’re at the rink Saturday and Sunday 9:30 – 11, and Saturday night, 8 – 9.

    I would guess the game will be the Sunday morning session, but there could be some good viewing of the country’s top players and some coaching as well at any of the times.

    in reply to: Post Counts #1948

    I’ve also removed the “Southern Ice Hockey League” forum as it has never been used since I added it over a month ago. Any posts about the Southern League should be made here in the general forum now.

    Ryan,

    in reply to: Summer League! #1736

    Yeah, and it was a real pain to convert to PDF. Glitch in word kept missing half of the bubbles. There was only one typo though which is a nice change from most of the other crap I get sent. Except for stuff from you of course <img decoding=” title=”Smiley” />

    Ryan,

    in reply to: Site + Forum #1342

    Back by popular demand – ie: two people requested it – are the photos from the 2005 DIHL.

    Ryan,

    in reply to: Site + Forum #1308

    The users have now been deleted. I couldn’t figure how to track down their IP address though. Since they haven’t posted anything it doesn’t seem to have been stored anywhere (that I can find). I have permanently banned their email addresses though so they can’t re-register under the same one again.

    in reply to: Future DIHL? #1402

    Ah, have been trying to figure out why the heck we still keep getting spammed! It was coz I only changed the permissions for the General forum, not the buy sell and exchange one! All spam should be gone now – hopefully.

    Yeah, gear is a problem. I mentioned it to Phil a while back and he didn’t seem too bothered by the lack of enforcement. I also mentioned it to Jackie Christos and Joyce Miller and suggested that the club should do something about it. The refs should be calling anything and everything if you ask me. If it’s a rule, they should follow it. I don’t necessarily think they should need to a full check, ie: checking if someone is wearing elbow pads under their jersey shouldn’t be necessary, I’ve never seen or heard of refs doing that before. But something blatantly obvious like not wearing a helmet, visor or gloves should be nailed on the head immediately. Particularly since I’m guessing it’ll open the club up to some liability problems potentially. If the refs can’t see that the player isn’t wearing the equipment then fine, but if it’s obvious then they should definitely do something about it. It also creates a society where it’s cool to wear less gear which is stupid, I don’t like the idea of kids looking up to James as some sort of role model and deciding not to wear a visor because of it. It’d be nice if some of the top players would wear a full-cage for that reason, but I’m not holding my breathe. John Thomsen is one of the only top level players I’ve come across (that I can think of right now) who ever wore a full-cage, and even then he often wore a visor instead depending on his mood.

    Ryan,

    in reply to: The DIHL 2006 #1461

    This is a transcript from the previous forum. Due to technical reasons we weren’t able to directly transfer the posts to this new forum.



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 6 2006, 02:21 PM

    QUOTE
    But I’d feel real stupid standing there at the ice rink telling players to shoot at cones and skate around in a circle, particularly when they’ve been ice blacks or something.

    Yeah, it’s a bit weird.

    QUOTE
    I was originally thinking of just getting people to total up their teams, with players graded 1, 2, or 3 (while we’ve used a four point grading system this time, if the DIHL is split then the A pool range is going to be from (say) Kyle level, to ice black level, so three grades is going to be a reasonable range to cover that).

    I’d be inclined to go the opposite way and have say a ranking from 0 – 10. Some of the people we ranked as a 1 last time are way better than other 1 people and I think that tends to skew things a little. Somebody like James for example is significantly better than Shane McD but both would be graded as a 1 on the current system.

    QUOTE
    I’m not sure we’re yet at the stage where people are starting to see the dihl as something where they might stay with the same team for several years. I guess that’s something we’re going to have to try and develop, and one of the ways we should think about doing that is to make the dihl next year run all season – about 20 weeks or so.

    That should help a lot. I also think that putting an addition to the advertising saying that if they are interested in fielding an entire team then please contact ????. I’m guessing that teams which are created by an individual are more likely to be organised and have a soild team environment than one which we just make up and toss a uniform to. Once one or two teams like this pop up other people should see it works and hopefully follow suit.



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 7 2006, 12:40 PM

    Have heard back from Joyce who confirmed that the DIHA has no procedures for any of this stuff and she suggested I prepare a document and submit it to the DIHA for approval once it’s done.

    I’ll post the rules on here before giving to the DIHA. I’ve started a rough set of rules already. Not sure when they’ll be ready for posting on here though.



    kyle
    Posted: Apr 7 2006, 01:50 PM

    Yeah, no big rush, I’d be keen to have a go at it after I get back from holiday. As long as its ready when we start signing people up for the second half of the year DIHL.

    I’d have a look at a few things on http://www.nziha.com as well – strip a few bits out of their disciplinary procedure to make our own mini one, etc.



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 7 2006, 02:09 PM

    Good idea about the NZIHA procedures



    kyle
    Posted: Apr 13 2006, 06:06 PM

    Hi Ryan,

    Did anyone talk to Andre? I’m quite happy for him to replace Brendon in our team, but I also won’t be too worried if he doesn’t play. I’m not sure if we can go wiping any goals he’s scored. Kings, Ducks, and Bullfrogs (at least) have all played either unregistered, or incorrect players on their teams during the DIHL so far this year. I don’t particularly care either way, as as far as I can tell it won’t affect any results of games, but we have no policy for any of these things – they’re precisely the things we’ve discussed sorting out above.

    Anyway, I think it’d be good for us to sort these things out amongst ourselves before we go announcing what we’re doing to everyone. I don’t mind people objecting to whatever Andre and Brendon have done – I don’t even really know what they’ve done, certainly from this distance I’ve got no idea, but in the absence of a procedure, we should probably agree that decisions are made by our ‘committee’.

    I think we should send out an email to all the players as well. We’re kinda at the halfway point, and we should remind players that there won’t be any hockey at all for the next two weeks. Joyce was going to send me some stuff about the Easton cup, but I guess it’s too late to get people into that, but we should promote the web site and the forum – it’d be nice to have more than half a dozen people using this.

    From this distance, I don’t want to start sending out emails, so perhaps you should do it?

    Kyle



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 14 2006, 05:35 PM

    Point taken about Andre. I will modify my post and change the stats accordingly.
    I didn’t want to bug you about this while you’re on holiday so just made the call myself. Particularly as it didn’t affect the number of points your team has.

    I was going to talk to Andre but was late for the Bullfrogs game and when I did arrive, he was on the ice. I considered tapping him on the shoulder and telling him he’s not sposed to be their but he was playing in goal at the time! So I let him be and will be seeing him either tonight or tomorrow night.

    I offered to send an email for Joyce, but by the time she sent me all the info. it was really too late anyway. They seem to have stacks of players turning up anyway.

    I’m well on my way to finishing up a draft set of rules for you to look over but you should really be out enjoying your holiday so feel free to leave all this crap till you get back here. I’ll probably post a link to it in the next day or so. Most of it is all my way of doing things and I’m sure you’ll have lots of changes to make. It’s actually a little tricky making this rule book thing as there’s always little loop holes which need to get filled in.

    Ryan,



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 20 2006, 12:16 PM

    Interesting comment Kyle in the DIHL forum about not thinking private groups entering teams was a good idea. Why is that? As long as there’s a grading system in place the level of players in the teams should be constant.

    I was thinking along the lines of creating a team which trains each week and goes to play other teams in the area if we get round to it. Not an SIHL team as such, just a ‘proper’ team which has practises and has some control over who comes into and leaves it. Not really any different to the current system, just that the league (ie: us) wouldn’t choose the players. Actually I probably would have a say in my own team but that’s just coincidence. I thought the idea of having private groups and individuals fielding their own teams was a great idea. It removes the hassle of us organising them. Plus they may supply their own uniforms. And they may develop into some sort of team which may be keen to compete in the SIHL in the future – that’s sort of where I’m going with my current plan. Plus they can recruit their own players which may help us in getting new players interested.

    Most sports I know of allow you to field an entire team of your own choice without any restrictions at all. I don’t think that would work as you’d have the same problem as ChCh inline, but as long as there’s some control by the league over the level of players then I can’t see that it should be a big problem.

    I’ve completed a draft of a set of rules, I’ll upload them tonight possibly. It contains all of my own ideas about team entries etc.

    It doesn’t have much in the way of disciplinary stuff though as I wasn’t quite sure what you had in mind. My set of rules just say that any disciplinary problems will be dealt with by the DIHA committee.



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 20 2006, 02:51 PM

    http://www.geocities.com/dunedinicehock … lebook.doc
    It’s a little disorganised but it’s all in there.

    I’m really keen on this idea of allowing anyone to enter a team. The most fun competitions I’ve ever been involved are the ones where there’s some sort of team comaraderie, you don’t get that in the DIHL.

    Oh yeah, I think I may have put prices and stuff in that rule book. Those were just to fill in the blanks. Numbers can of course (and probably will) be changed.

    I’m also using the reverse grading system to what Kyle suggested in the main forum. I’m just following the ChCh system, makes sense to follow that so we don’t confuse any imports. Ie: 10 is a pro player, 0 can’t skate at all, 5 is in the middle.

    Ryan,



    kyle
    Posted: Apr 24 2006, 09:41 AM

    QUOTE (Ryan @ Apr 20 2006, 12:16 PM)
    Interesting comment Kyle in the DIHL forum about not thinking private groups entering teams was a good idea. Why is that? As long as there’s a grading system in place the level of players in the teams should be constant.

    I’m not entirely opposed to people being able to form their own teams. My concern is making sure that it doesn’t end up being an elitist system, where a bunch of people formed their own teams, and then the leftovers all got thrown in together like scraps.

    I guess the alternative way to look at it is to say ‘right, there will be 4 A pool teams’, we might have one organised by the committee for people who don’t know people, and then say ‘anyone else want to form a team, go ahead’. You might then form a team, Matt Newton might form one, and John Bradfield might form one (hypothetically). I guess they’d be more likely to stick together that way, and as long as the players were graded to ensure balance, it would still work.

    I also think we’re going to need to be firmer on our registrations if we go this way, and at least for the A pool, set a registration date, and charge a late fee after that. The B pool wouldn’t be such a problem, but it mangles the balance of teams if people sign up late. People down here are just going to have to get used to ‘there’s the date, if you miss it, you miss out, or you pay extra’.



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 24 2006, 04:05 PM

    Ah, I see, that makes sense.

    Shouldn’t be too much of a problem atleast in the beginning as I don’t think many teams would sign up. I haven’t checked, but I’m fairly sure in my list of rules somewhere there’ll be a comment to the effect that team entries will be admitted at discretion of the league officials, which would give us some flexibility in turning down team entries if they were too late.

    I don’t think there would be a problem with players signing up late, atleast using the system I’m suggesting, as they would simply need to join a team in which they didn’t breach the average grading of. Could be a problem for the likes of James VL or Simon or similar if they tried to sign up late but most people should be fine if we’re careful with where we set the average grade to.

    There was a similar problem in the Calgary Roller Hockey League where there was one individuals team which got destroyed by everyother team. But on the flip side the same situation existed in the University of Calgary Intramural hockey league which I played in and that team destroyed all the ‘actual’ teams. There was no system in place to limit the level of teams in those leagues though, you could field a team entirely of ex semi-pro hockey players if you felt like it – and this did happen! Atleast with our system there’s some limits on what teams can do.



    kyle
    Posted: Apr 25 2006, 03:26 AM

    OK, well I guess I’m kinda convinced. As long as I don’t have to organise a team this time around!



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 25 2006, 08:03 PM

    Kyle, when you’re back in town we should up to hammer some of these ideas out in person. I particularly don’t want to go squashing any of your ideas without some sort of debate on them.

    My ideas aren’t always the best. Although I’d like to think so tongue.gif

    in reply to: The DIHL 2006 #1460

    This is a transcript from the previous forum. Due to technical reasons we weren’t able to directly transfer the posts to this new forum.



    Ryan
    Posted: Mar 20 2006, 06:21 PM

    Am just wondering if anyone has talked to Neil or whoever is doing the grooming tomorrow night about what type of groom, timing etc. we want?
    At 1hr for each game we’ll need them to really pull finger as soon as each game is over and they probably need to do a few dry grooms between the 1st/2nd and 3/4th games instead of a wet one or we might run over time I think. Plus the refs and time keepers need to know that we’re on an ultra tight time schedule as well.



    Ryan
    Posted: Mar 20 2006, 06:26 PM

    Two of my players need a stick and helmet. I forgot to add that to their info. on the spreadsheet.
    They’re Andy Noble and Mark Hareb. I have the money for Mark and Andy will be bringing along the full $110 on Tuesday night.



    kyle
    Posted: Mar 23 2006, 01:04 AM

    Just looking at the results from Tuesday. I think we’ve largely got the teams pretty good. SK8 were down a bit, but if they’d had Jesse there I think they would have been much closer to the Beasts. Bulls and Bullfrogs were pretty close. I think Ducks are probably the strongest team, but I know Toby has said that he won’t necessarily be there every week, so that’ll make a bit of a difference if that happens. John McGlashan went down to Sharks, but nothing too horrendous.

    Kings took a hammering, with no Damien Watson turning up. I think this is the problem we need to address. I’ll keep on trying to phone Damien to see if he’s actually going to turn up – apparently he’s said he will, but we have no money or signup sheet for him, so it’s a bit of an unknown. We do need a second quality player for this team, otherwise they’re going to get the same results all tournament.

    If we can get Damien we’re fine, if we can’t, I think we need to find them another 1 grade player. Ryan said he’d try one of the van Leeuwen brothers. I know James is going overseas soon, but in lieu of anything better turning up, perhaps we could offer James to play for free until he goes. Adrian or Andre would also be fine however., particularly as they’d probably be here till the end. Perhaps we could tempt another penguin in. It wouldn’t be my first suggestion to let anyone play the rest of the tournament for free, but if we were having trouble finding someone, then I’d probably be happy to do it for a Mike Sam or something similar. What about Stu? Ryan can you take charge of finding an alternative if Damien falls through?

    I know in particular, on top of a good player to pick them up, they need a person who’ll talk to them on the bench and lead them on the rink. Garett is playing for them, but he’s definitely not a captain figure. He only really agreed to play with them on the condition that there was a second good player, so we really need that second player to turn up.



    Ryan
    Posted: Mar 24 2006, 06:01 PM

    Sorry for the delay in replying. Am extremely busy at the moment but will see what I can do re: Kings player tomorrow.



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 3 2006, 02:03 PM

    Have had no luck on the Kings player front although Damian has turned up for the last game anyway.

    I’ve now organised a goalie (probably) for when their goalie is away April 2nd I think it is. Becky Brassett will taking over for that game as long as she’s not too busy, she’ll confirm the week before hand. Otherwise we’ll probably just have to get another goalie to double shift. Or get Sammy or someone to take over.



    kyle
    Posted: Apr 3 2006, 02:57 PM

    Yup, that’s good, cheers.

    I think we can stop trying to find Kings a new player now that Damien is actually on board. I think if Garett hadn’t been sick last week they might have got close to a draw/win. Garett and Ian seemed to be happy, so I’m happy.

    I’m going to try and compile a list of people who haven’t paid for Tuesday night. Shouldn’t be too many, but we have to get onto it.

    Our non-payers from last year are going to a committee meeting tonight I think. I can’t attend (it’s at 7:30), but if anyone wants to go.



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 5 2006, 03:37 PM

    Thought I’d post in here about Andre.

    He shouldn’t be playing in place of Brendon as we’re not allowing anyone else to do that. If someone can’t make it they just miss out and the club keeps the money. If someone doesn’t pay, they don’t play.

    Simple. Erm, I still have to pay myself …. will do that next week though, or on Sunday.

    I think signing up Andre is a great idea, he just shouldn’t be able to go taking Brendons place coz “they” decided it was a good idea. It’s not their decision to make.



    kyle
    Posted: Apr 5 2006, 06:10 PM

    QUOTE (Ryan @ Apr 5 2006, 03:37 PM)
    Thought I’d post in here about Andre.

    He shouldn’t be playing in place of Brendon as we’re not allowing anyone else to do that. If someone can’t make it they just miss out and the club keeps the money. If someone doesn’t pay, they don’t play.

    Simple. Erm, I still have to pay myself …. will do that next week though, or on Sunday.

    I think signing up Andre is a great idea, he just shouldn’t be able to go taking Brendons place coz “they” decided it was a good idea. It’s not their decision to make.

    Well it wasn’t my intention to have Brendon play but not pay either – I wasn’t aware until Monday when I went through the receipt book that he hadn’t paid. The same goes for Andre. I tried to catch him after the game, but someone stole my pants so I got distracted and then he’d gone. I presume he’s under the impression that Brendon has paid, but to my understanding, that’s not the case.

    I’m not here next week, but I’m quite happy for anyone to say to Andre, you need to pay money if you’re going to play. I don’t mind either way – pay and play, or don’t pay and don’t play. I have no contact details for him though, so I can’t do much at this stage.

    The only other person who hasn’t paid is Damien, which is more a problem of not paying, and not playing really. If he’s there next week, someone needs to talk to him about money, but I have no contact details for him at all, so I don’t know what the story is. Ian Keiller I believe has a phone number for him.

    Bulls had, I believe, two more people throw money at Joyce last night and jump on and play – one I was aware of, and on the basis of Graham’s email saying that they wanted another player, suggested he should play for that team. I have no idea where the other one came from.

    I had John Bradfield approach me last night about another old boys who he thinks might want to sign up for JM. The guy sounds quite good, so I suggested that might be making it too unbalanced.

    I’m going to try and not be too worried about team balance, but I’m a bit concerned that the teams are being thrown out of kilter by post-meeting movements. John McGlashan, Bullfrogs, Bulls, SK8, Sharks and Beasts are all differently ‘balanced’ than our careful setting up of the teams in the pub the other week. I don’t think this is a major problem with our current DIHL, but it’s a _bit_ concerning. There has been a fair bit of running around and ‘organising’ people to sign up by a couple of people – Paul Roth being the worst example, and while I don’t take the DIHL too seriously, some take it more seriously, and I know that as the next year or so goes on, it’s going to be a lot more serious a competition. At some stage we’re going to stop talking about the dihl as a social league, it’s going to be the ice hockey league.

    There are things that we are going to have to tighten up on – what happens if a player not on a team plays, what happens if a team’s goalie doesn’t show up and they need to use another team’s goalie? In most versions of the rules this is an instant loss of game. If we split the pools, do we take it this seriously in the A pool, but not in the B? Do we still control teams and work to achieve balance, or do we let people form their own? What about in the A pool giving each person a ranking, and letting managers construct their own teams based on a 1 – 2 – 3 points system – ‘your team can have up to 25 points, goalies are worth twice as much’ etc.



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 5 2006, 08:47 PM

    Yeah, these are all distinct problems.

    I think we should try and list them all so that when we get round to it we can set out a set of hardened rules for everyone to follow. At the moment it seems to be working fine because noone takes it seriously enough to care, but you’re definitely correct, as time goes on it’ll become more serious and people will start to get angry when things don’t go as they expect. A bunch of anal rules tends to dampen that. I know the ChCh league has lots of problems with this but they have managed to keep things under control farely well by ensuring that the rules are as tight as possible so they leave as little leeway as possible for people to find loopholes/cheat which tends to infuriate others. Personally I couldn’t care less if people snatch players to stack their team up, unintentionally or not, but I’m sure someone at some stage will start having a little hissy fit about it.

    The ChCh inline league had similar problems but they weren’t organised enough/get on well enough to sort the crap out before it got out of hand. The squabbles they had were ridiculous, I’d like to nip this kind of crap in the bud before it gets a chance to start.

    I’ll email the ChCh SNC and see if I can get a copy of their rules and regulations for us to use as a guide. They also have some interesting ways of sorting the teams out which seems to work quite nicely too. Although their system does require the teams to be more consistent from season to season than we have at the moment.

    Ryan,



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 5 2006, 08:58 PM

    Here’s the constitution for the Christchurch SNC. There’s a lot of reading in there!

    http://www.sncicehockey.com/Constitution.pdf



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 5 2006, 09:07 PM

    Perhaps we could make something similar but smaller for the DIHL?
    Then we could run it by the club for suggestions and then use that for next season?

    The ChCh SNC is an incorporated body so I’m guessing that has something to do with them having such a serious document as a constitution/set of rules.

    We don’t really need a constitution as the club already has one. What we need are a serious set of rules which we seem to be lacking at the moment.



    kyle
    Posted: Apr 5 2006, 11:29 PM

    QUOTE (Ryan @ Apr 5 2006, 09:07 PM)
    We don’t really need a constitution as the club already has one. What we need are a serious set of rules which we seem to be lacking at the moment.

    After making my last post and walking back to the car I was thinking about these same things – we need to come up with rules, as currently it’s all running ‘rough and loose’ but we’re going to run into problems at some stage, so it might make sense to at least try and sort things out early and put in place a structure for when problems happen, to deal or prevent them.

    Some things off the top of my head:

    Disciplinary procedure. The only model I know of is the NZIHA one, which basically deals with on-ice (or off-ice) incidents which are more serious than minor or major penalties.
    Refund procedure. Under which instances would we refund money to a player? Serious injury? Family issues?
    Late entry.
    Equipment.
    Team makeup, both formally, and informally on the night of games. Bringing in players from other teams, or from outside.
    Grading?

    There is some good stuff in that SNC competition – if a player becomes a free agent, they are put on the ‘casual list’, and the lowest placed team has the option of picking them up. Do they really do all that work to grade players though? What a nightmare.

    And yes, I agree, we don’t need to incorporate, DIHA have taken care of that, we just need to make up some rules, and then run them by the committee.



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 6 2006, 11:00 AM

    Yep, they do go through all that grading crap.
    I don’t think it’s necessary and it seemed to frustrate a lot of the players up there.
    I think just telling people to turn up at whatever session happens to be on at the time such as sunday night beginners/social session or whatever and make sure someone is there to grade them would be fine. Much less hassle and probably more effective as I think you tell more from a game than from getting people to do a bunch of drills. There was always some people who were pissed about the grade they were put in, but the players who were close to the grade above were able to play up a grade if they could find a team which was willing to take them. Usually if they were close enough to the level/popular enough they could find a team, otherwise they probably shouldn’t have been in that grade anyway. It all seemed to work fine in the end and there teams were farely balanced – ish when I was up there. The trick to getting it to work well seems to be to ensure that there aren’t too many player movements between seasons. Big player movements throw the balance out of wack.



    kyle
    Posted: Apr 6 2006, 01:31 PM

    I think the grading system we have at present, which is a bit rough, is OK. I think we probably should grade players, and I don’t have a problem with telling players what their grade is – in fact, they, and managers would need to know to form teams. During the season you could highlight people that you think are mis-graded, and there could be an adjustment twice a year.

    But I’d feel real stupid standing there at the ice rink telling players to shoot at cones and skate around in a circle, particularly when they’ve been ice blacks or something.

    You would have to have some vague definitions as to what might make a player from outside to be a certain grade, but I think largely it’s going to be comparative. Simon is better than Shane who is better than Kyle. If it’s comparative then it’s not necessarily a level that people have to reach, it’s more, we want XX number of top graded players – lets say 12 in the top grade. If that dropped to 8, you might grade up the best four players in the grade below, so you were back to 12. The only problem would be if you had 12, got up to 16, and had to drop some, when the players hadn’t gotten worse, but I guess you could just keep a floating lid on the top grade – if it gets better through imports or people getting better, well that’s good, and the top grade just gets bigger.

    I was originally thinking of just getting people to total up their teams, with players graded 1, 2, or 3 (while we’ve used a four point grading system this time, if the DIHL is split then the A pool range is going to be from (say) Kyle level, to ice black level, so three grades is going to be a reasonable range to cover that).

    I could see though, a small team made up entirely of good players. So we might have to set some minimum/maximums. No more than two 3s (if 3 is the top grade, which makes mathematical sense) in a team. Team must have at least 11 players, etc. Goalies are worth twice as much (so goalies are effectively a 2, 4, or 6.

    We would have to have some way of grading new players – while we know most people who are here now, we got caught out grading Matthew Reay a 2 in this DIHL, because I didn’t link the name on the form to Matt who’d been causing all sorts of problems for Mike Sam on Sunday nights. The Sunday night game or perhaps a ‘preliminary grade’ for a player which they hold for a couple of weeks of the competition could cover that.

    I’m not sure we’re yet at the stage where people are starting to see the dihl as something where they might stay with the same team for several years. I guess that’s something we’re going to have to try and develop, and one of the ways we should think about doing that is to make the dihl next year run all season – about 20 weeks or so. I don’t know about Chch ice hockey, but I know in Chch inline, they had the advantage of several clubs contributing teams, so you played for your club, rather than just a jersey which was thrown at you, which is what we’re currently doing.



    Ryan
    Posted: Apr 6 2006, 02:12 PM

    The ChCh SNC is a mixture between what we’re doing and what the ChCh inline club did. Basically they have clubs which field their own teams and supply uniforms but the clubs aren’t allowed to willly nilly choose their players. It works sort of like John McGlashan and Kings where they chose their team but only on agreement of the league and they’re not allowed too many good players.

    It would be nice if someone formed their own club and started fielding players but I’m not holding my breath on that one.

    I’ve sent an email to Joyce about rules, and asked if there are already any procedures in place for some of this stuff (ie: disciplinary things). I said that assuming they don’t mind we’d write up some sort of rule book and pass it on to the club for their comments/suggestions/corrections. I’m happy to do this job, might not get done till Easter weekend though.

    I also suggested that I write it up in a way that it could be used for other competitions like the SK8 Cup so that it could be used as a general DIHA competition rule book which I’m fairly certain they don’t have at the moment.

    If you can think of anything at all that should be in a set of rules then post away. The more info. and opinions the better.

    in reply to: The DIHL 2006 #1459

    This is a transcript from the previous forum. Due to technical reasons we weren’t able to directly transfer the posts to this new forum.



    kyle
    Posted: Mar 15 2006, 01:48 PM

    Ryan,

    I’ve updated the web site in two places, you might want to download the files if you store the site locally.

    They’re the main page, and the dihl page – just to say that we’re still accepting registrations.

    With the effective collapse of the SIHL as a real competition, your SIHL pages will need some work too.

    Cheers,
    Kyle

    PS: There are a heap of women in the dihl. There’s almost enough good players to form a team.



    Ryan
    Posted: Mar 15 2006, 02:11 PM

    Yeah I was wondering what the deal was with the SIHL but I hadn’t been told anything about what was going on with it other than rumour so left it as is.

    I thought you’d rounded up enough people for the league so changed the site accordingly, sorry about that mix up.

    I’m not sure forming an entirely female team would be appropriate without asking the players involved first as many of the female players I know consider the concept of an all female team completely abhorrent – although none of those players have actually signed up for the DIHL.



    Ryan
    Posted: Mar 15 2006, 02:13 PM

    I have two registrations to hand in tonight from work mates of mine. I may not get the money before the meeting tonight but they’re both good for the cash so hopefully that wont be a problem.

    Ryan,



    Ryan
    Posted: Mar 15 2006, 02:17 PM

    Argh, seems that the link to the DIHL rego form was dead sad.gif Am fixing that problem now. Hopefully this hasn’t stopped anyone from signing up.



    kyle
    Posted: Mar 15 2006, 04:47 PM

    QUOTE (Ryan @ Mar 15 2006, 02:11 PM)
    I’m not sure forming an entirely female team would be appropriate without asking the players involved first as many of the female players I know consider the concept of an all female team completely abhorrent – although none of those players have actually signed up for the DIHL.

    Oh yeah, I didn’t mean we should form one tonight. Just, there’s enough women players here, if they wanted to form a team in the future, they could. We could give it to them as an option next time or something.

    I remember that the Aces womens team were really into there being a womens team, I understand that others aren’t.

    Signed up Abby Green, ex or current Ice Fernz who has moved down here from Chch to work at the hospital today. That’s four members of the NZ women’s squad now.



    Ryan
    Posted: Mar 15 2006, 04:57 PM

    Cool, another nz rep smile.gif



    Ryan
    Posted: Mar 16 2006, 06:46 PM

    I have any extra player to be added to a team:

    Jonathan Kitchen, age 24

    He’s definitely a beginner.
    He’s requested to be on my team but I told him I wasn’t sure if that would be possible or not as we already have quite a few beginners. Either on my team or not is fine by me.

    Ryan,



    Ryan
    Posted: Mar 16 2006, 06:48 PM

    I have a question:

    If a player only needs to borrow a helmet, do they still need to pay the $10? Helmets have typically been supplied for free in the past so I wasn’t too sure. A few of the players on my team have all the gear except the helmet.

    Ryan,



    Ryan
    Posted: Mar 17 2006, 10:11 AM

    QUOTE (Ryan @ Mar 16 2006, 06:46 PM)
    I have any extra player to be added to a team:

    Jonathan Kitchen, age 24

    Can that. He doesn’t want to play now angry.gif



    kyle
    Posted: Mar 17 2006, 12:07 PM

    QUOTE (Ryan @ Mar 16 2006, 06:48 PM)
    If a player only needs to borrow a helmet, do they still need to pay the $10? Helmets have typically been supplied for free in the past so I wasn’t too sure. A few of the players on my team have all the gear except the helmet.

    Yes they do need to pay $10 for the helmet.

    I didn’t debate at all the prices that the club set on gear hire, but I think while the prices aren’t cheap for one piece of gear (ie a helmet), they’re really good if you’re hiring two or three bits – $10 for 9 uses of a helmet, skates, and sticks is great – well below the amount you’d degrade the gear by using them.

    And helmet is protective gear, but you can’t play without skates or a stick either, so they’re all essential, and we won’t let anyone on the ice without all three of them.

    If it was me I would have charged by the piece, I think that would encourage people to buy some of the gear.

    We also might run into issues with goalie gear – they’ve had some ‘go missing’ over the summer, so there’s basically only two full adult sets there. We might be having to drag gear off goalies as they come off and do quick changes, but we’ll see.



    kyle
    Posted: Mar 17 2006, 12:10 PM

    QUOTE (Ryan @ Mar 17 2006, 10:11 AM)
    QUOTE (Ryan @ Mar 16 2006, 06:46 PM)
    I have any extra player to be added to a team:

    Jonathan Kitchen, age 24

    Can that. He doesn’t want to play now angry.gif

    Yup, I’ve scratched him off the list.

    That brings bulls back down to 11 (I got one more today over email from Joyce).

    If we get new players, if they’re a good one (ie, 1 or 2) I’d like to add another player to kings, as currently they’re going to get creamed. I think in the interests of having these high school teams come back, we want them not to lose every match, and kings is weak. If they’re a beginner, we’ll add them to bullfrogs. Anyone in the middle, we’ll add to the other teams, except john mcglashan which is full.



    Ryan
    Posted: Mar 17 2006, 01:49 PM

    I “may” have one more players. Ryan McMillan from Milton.

    The thing is I have Sandra Maca on my team and she is also from Milton so it will probably work much better if they’re both on the same team. But Ryan is beginnerish so I’m not sure she’d be best on the Ducks.

    I’ll post more info. when I hear it. Ryan is still debating whether she’ll play or not.



    Ryan
    Posted: Mar 17 2006, 09:17 PM

    There was a minor error with the emails that went out about the teams, schedule etc.
    Ryan Wick was informed that he was on the Ducks when infact he is on the SK8 team.

    I told him he was on the SK8 team and that his manager would be contacting him directly anyway.



    kyle
    Posted: Mar 18 2006, 12:31 PM

    His email got bounced, so I must have resent the wrong team info when I resent it to a corrected email address.



    Ryan
    Posted: Mar 20 2006, 11:34 AM

    The following is an email from Kyle.

    …………..
    Hi,

    Late registrations from last night:

    Garett from Sunday night also signed up, I’d like to put him in Kings.
    Kings already has 13 players, but they’re definitely the weakest team,
    and Garret along with Damien Watson would at least give them a couple
    of stars.

    Sarah and Heather Hutton (sharks) we’ve pulled out. They thought they
    were signing up for the beginners session, and don’t want to play the
    DIHL. Joyce was happy with that, and their money will go to beginners.

    In their place I’d like to put Walter Johannes, a friend of Megan
    Gilchrist’s who’s already in the team. And Chris O’Neill, who’s played
    a year or so of beginner hockey in the UK, and Cory MacDonall, who
    plays the senior session on Sundays.

    Overall, it’ll make Sharks a bit stronger.

    Lastly, Shane promised to sign up and play, I’ve added him to Bullfrogs
    as he and Sam and Hargen want to play together.

    Both those teams now have 11+ Goalie, any late additions will go in
    Beasts, Bulls, Ducks, SK8, who have 10 + goalie.

    Also, Larry Wheeler agreed to manage the SK8 team, though he’s also
    managing his 11 year old son and beginner nephew through the
    competition, so it’d be good if people can help him out with getting
    his team together on Tuesday.

    Assuming everyone is happy with the above, I’ll send out new lists
    tonight to everyone.

    Cheers,
    Kyle

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